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    Posted: 29 January 2013 at 7:45am
who goes to heaven.

this is for all christians and muslims people. will the most compassionate/honest/polite hindu/Buddhist go to hell while the most treacherous/lying/rude/murderous etc muslim/christian goes to heaven?
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Originally posted by nirvana nirvana wrote:

who goes to heaven.

this is for all christians and muslims people. will the most compassionate/honest/polite hindu/Buddhist go to hell while the most treacherous/lying/rude/murderous etc muslim/christian goes to heaven?


A Christian who is murderous/rude/lying/treacherous and doesn't try to change it is a person who is consciously and willingly living in sin and does not have the Holy Spirit inside him/her. Regardless of what he or she says, that person does not believe in Christ or try to follow Him, and therefore is not a Christian.
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I believe a Buddhist who truly seeks God will find Him in one place, and will forget his other gods.
 
God knows our hearts and the faces we wear. Bad enough we are sinners while doing our best.
 
There is a Christian doctrine that says once saved, always saved, but as our friend Mahdi the seeker pointed out (inadvertantly) in another thread, the one who turns away dies as well.
I'm a Gentile.
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Originally posted by TG12345 TG12345 wrote:


Originally posted by nirvana nirvana wrote:

who goes to heaven.

this is for all christians and muslims people. will the most compassionate/honest/polite hindu/Buddhist go to hell while the most treacherous/lying/rude/murderous etc muslim/christian goes to heaven?
A Christian who is murderous/rude/lying/treacherous and doesn't try to change it is a person who is consciously and willingly living in sin and does not have the Holy Spirit inside him/her. Regardless of what he or she says, that person does not believe in Christ or try to follow Him, and therefore is not a Christian.


what if A Christian who is murderous/rude/lying/treacherous repents. then he will go to heaven and the good-doing hindu will go to hell?
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Originally posted by nirvana nirvana wrote:

who goes to heaven.
this is for all christians and muslims people. will the most compassionate/honest/polite hindu/Buddhist go to hell while the most treacherous/lying/rude/murderous etc muslim/christian goes to heaven?


In Islam the worst of a Muslim is still better than the best of a non Muslim. What is the reason? Because even how bad that Muslim is, he still believes that there is no other God worthy of being worshipped but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His Messenger. That person even though goes to hell at first, he would one day be transferred to heaven due to the Mercy of Allah Ar-Raheem Most Merciful.

While the best of a non-Muslim is still considered a kafir if he does not acknowledge that Allah the Creator of all the universe is the God worthy of being worshipped. But still we cannot do any judgement by ourselves. Allah is Al-Aleem (All Knowing) He knows what is in the heart of each and every one of His Creations.
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:

Originally posted by nirvana nirvana wrote:

who goes to heaven.
this is for all christians and muslims people. will the most compassionate/honest/polite hindu/Buddhist go to hell while the most treacherous/lying/rude/murderous etc muslim/christian goes to heaven?


In Islam the worst of a Muslim is still better than the best of a non Muslim. What is the reason? Because even how bad that Muslim is, he still believes that there is no other God worthy of being worshipped but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His Messenger. That person even though goes to hell at first, he would one day be transferred to heaven due to the Mercy of Allah Ar-Raheem Most Merciful.

While the best of a non-Muslim is still considered a kafir if he does not acknowledge that Allah the Creator of all the universe is the God worthy of being worshipped. But still we cannot do any judgement by ourselves. Allah is Al-Aleem (All Knowing) He knows what is in the heart of each and every one of His Creations.


so, belief in a supernatural being is better than treating others well?
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Originally posted by Webber Webber wrote:

I believe a Buddhist who truly seeks God will find Him in one place, and will forget his other gods.
Which other gods might those be, for a Buddhist?
Originally posted by Nur Ilahi Nur Ilahi wrote:

In Islam the worst of a Muslim is still better than the best of a non Muslim.
Ok so maybe Caringheart was wrong and this belief is not reinforced daily as part of the salah. So where does it come from?
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so, belief in a supernatural being is better than treating others well?
But only if you are lucky and choose the right one to believe in. Stern%20Smile

God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Originally posted by nirvana nirvana wrote:

so, belief in a supernatural being is better than treating others well?


Dear Nirvana,

In Islam if you want to be the best of a human being, there are two kinds of relationship that you have to maintain.
First Habluminallah - Your relationship with Allah (vertical)
Second Habluminanaas - Your relationship with other people (horizontal)
Then your life is stable/complete. Near perfect.

So believing in the Supernatural being - if you mean God, and at the same time doing bad to others, that means your life is unstable/incomplete. The faith is still not strong.
Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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