CHRISTIANS:FORGIVE EVERYBODY THEIR SINS

Caringheart wrote: Greetings Mahdi,Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me.� It is not within my purely human nature to do so.� I need the grace of God.Salaam,Caringheart

Dear Caringheart,

The power of the holy spirit in us (Ruh) is pure. The evil one is the Nafs (if uncontrolled). God is Most Merciful, All-Loving. He had given each and everyone of us these characters within us. It is up to us to make full use of it. If we exercise this noble characters, we will get His blessings. We have a choice whether to forgive someone or not. If we still harbor anger and hatred, we are choosing the wrong path - the path of evil. If we choose to pardon the other person, we are showing gratitude to the Almighty for His Mercy.

Salam

Mahdi The Seeke wrote: so, before Jesus came, nobody could forgive anybody anything. Caringheart, please put some more thought in your replies.

Greetings Mahdi,
Did nobody have the grace of God before Jesus came?
Salaam,
Caringheart



Edited by Caringheart - 17 February 2013 at 2:01pm

Mahdi The Seeke wrote: Caringheart wrote: Mahdi The Seeke wrote: that is not the type of forgiveness i am talking about. Greetings Mahdi, How do you know this was not the type of forgiveness Jesus was trying to lead us to?Salaam,Caringheart so,for disciples to be able to forgive those who wronged them, they had to have the 'Holy Spirit' breathed into them? you do not need the Holy Spirit breathed into you to forgive those who wrong you, that is how i know that is not the forgiveness being referred to in those Bible verses quoted.

Greetings Mahdi,

Without the power of the Holy Spirit within me, I promise you, I do not have it in me to forgive gross wrongs committed against me.  It is not within my purely human nature to do so.  I need the grace of God.

Salaam,
Caringheart

Mahdi The Seeke wrote: bunter wrote: Mahdi The Seeke wrote: john 20:19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, �Peace be with you!� 20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. 21 Again Jesus said, �Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.� 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, �Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone�s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.� The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins but they do have the authority to say that one puts their trust in the atoning work of Jesus then sins are forgiven. the plain and obvious thing here is that you deliberately chose to ignore what the verse says and assigned your own unrelated belief to the verse. that you said 'The obvious and plain meaning here is not that Christians have the power to forgive sins' shows you understand the meaning. what you said after shows you are either in denial, delusional or both.

But when I read that quote, yes it says what it says: "If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven". I know it is incorrect to say, only God can forgive sins. We can forgive those who do wrong against us, but to forgive someone's sins like this quote suggests is not and cannot be true.
Hasan