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Caringheart
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I can't be submitted to God if I don't believe in Muhammad? What does Muhammad bring that the other prophets did not teach? So even though the qu'ran says that all prophets are equal and are all to be honored in what they teach, it also says that the only prophets teachings that count for anything are those of Muhammad. Muhammad negates Jesus and the teaching of all the other prophets. Do you see the contradiction and the problem? You can't honor the prophets if you don't know what they taught, and if Muhammad was going to say the scriptures were false then he needed to bring the fullness of correction... not to just say it was false, because if the muslims are to listen to Muhammad they must follow what the earlier prophets taught, yet he gives them no way to know what the former prophets taught, and thus leaves them with little guidance. This does not sound like what God would do. Muhammad leans on the guidance of the earlier prophets and yet denies his people where to find this guidance without him. Edited by Caringheart - 28 January 2013 at 4:14pm |
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Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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Caringheart
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Muslim is meant to mean submitted to God.
How do you measure whether a person is submitted to God? What defines a person as submitted to God? As far as I can see the shahada is only words... it is actions that show the true nature of the soul. So is it the words that deem one worthy to be called 'submitted to God'? or is it actions that deem one an example of one submitted to God? Edited by Caringheart - 28 January 2013 at 4:09pm |
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Greetings Caringheart,
I do not intend to defend Islam or debate your belief system versus mine. I felt you had asked a genuine question and I answered you accordingly. Sorry my answers added to your confusion. Good luck with your search. |
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Caringheart
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Greetings aka, It is a genuine question. I genuinely want to understand. I respect if you have nothing further to add. Thanks for trying. Just to clarify though, you do think Islam is simple. Salaam, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 29 January 2013 at 9:27am |
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Nausheen
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Greetings Caringheart, Would you please explain what you were trying to understand in this verse, which you cannot grasp? You have referenced this as an example of some confusions you have about Islam. So, would you point out your confusion? thank you. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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Believing in a person can mean one believes in whatever he says irrespective of anything else -like who he is, where he is coming from what his ideologies are etc etc ... like when one loves a person, its regardless of everything else. Here we believe that Muhammad PBUH is a prophet of God. Everything that follows is after this belief. Whatever he said or did was in accordance with the will of God. So yes, we believe in his words and actions (that they were to represent the will of God), but not regardless ... rather it is because he is a God sent messenger. If he is not a God sent messenger, then there is no point beleiving in him. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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Greetings Caringheart, Im dissecting your statements, because I do not have a lot of time right now, so please excuse me. Muslim in its literal arabic sense is a noun which denotes a person who has submitted to the will of God. If you believe God is, only then you will submit to Him. Once you believe He is, then you believe in what he chooses for you, then you surrender yourself to all what He commands. Declaration of faith is not lip service. Anyone who 'says' there is one God but still believe shiv and vishnu and brhamma are also gods has not declared faith in one God ... again any who says muhammad pbuh is the messenger of God, but still has doubts, perhaps this man was a self appointed prophet has not declared faith. So, who is a muslim? He is one who has declared faith from true conviction of his heart ... This person is a muslim. This is a precondition for salvation. One who lives life according to teachings similar to that of Muhammad PBUH, but does not believe that he pbuh was a messenger of god, has not fulfilled the precondition of salvation. Now comes the next part, is the precondition enough for salvation? Not necessarily. Any who believe in this precondition will enter paradise. howeverwhat comes next is that no one will enter paradise except he who is pure. So after one has believed in the precondition one needs to work righteoousness And there is yet another condition attached to the ticket to paradise. None will enter paradise except through the mercy of Allah. So once we have fulfilled all the conditions, we have to be hopeful of His mercy, without which there is no salvation. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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Nausheen
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Greetings Caringheart, I think I have answered to some of your above statements, though had not read them then. Except one statement " How do you measure whether a person is submitted to God?" Is the usage of 'you' metaphorical? Im just asking because I do use the second person pronoun metaphorically at times. We, ie You or I cannot judge if one is submitted or not. we can only guess :) The right of judgement is with God. One who is submitted to God accepts his will in all matters, weather he likes it or not. ... and now I have to rush, so talk to you later. stay tuned! peace. |
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<font color=purple>Wanu nazzilu minal Qurani ma huwa
Shafaa un wa rahmatun lil mo'mineena wa la yaziduzzalimeena illa khasara.[/COLOR] |
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