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AhmadJoyia
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Paul the self appointed apostle was a lair.2 Corinthians 12:16American King James Version (AKJV)But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile. American Standard Version (ASV)But be it so, I did not myself burden you; but, being crafty, I caught you with guile. Basic English Translation (BBE)But let it be so, that I was not a trouble to you myself; but (someone may say) being false, I took you with deceit. Webster's RevisionBut be it so, I did not myself burden you; but, being crafty, I caught you with guile. World English BibleBut be it so, I did not myself burden you. But, being crafty, I caught you with deception.
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AhmadJoyia
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Caringheart
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guile - cleverness -
Paul was an intelligent, learned man that is all that this word means It annoys me when I see Paul so maligned, because it is the only way some can find to argue against the scriptures... yet, they can never once tell me anything that Paul taught that they find so unacceptable, or even contrary to their own beliefs. Greek concordance: dolios.... can also mean through subtlety This is what I take it to mean. There is nothing that Paul did that can be described as deceitful. Has anyone of those who take up to criticize, ever read what Paul teaches, or do they just repeat what has been told to them. Has anyone read the entirety of the passage, of the letter of Paul to the Corinthians? 2 Corinthians 12:14- 14 Now I am coming to you for the third time, and I will not be a burden to you. I don�t want what you have�I want you. After all, children don�t provide for their parents. Rather, parents provide for their children. 15 I will gladly spend myself and all I have for you, even though it seems that the more I love you, the less you love me.There may have been some that having never understood the message of Christ, thought it would be good to join with the Christians, and only later came to understand the message. The fault is theirs for wantonly joining without first gaining understanding. The fault is theirs, not Paul's. Even while Yshwe was with us, here on earth, this happened... as recorded in the book of John: 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.It would not be much different than one who impulsively is talked into taking the shahada and then later learns more about the religion and feels like they were tricked into joining with a thing they didn't really understand. asalaam and blessings, Caringheart Edited by Caringheart - 23 January 2016 at 10:59pm |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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AhmadJoyia
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Welcome back to the topic bro Caringheart. I thought you forgot this topic as your reply to my comments dated 21 Dec, 2015 are still awaited, though I do see your postings on other topics of the forum. Regarding your latest post
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Caringheart
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Greetings AhmadJoyia, I confess no such thing. The Bible is the best guide to life that there is. It is the Wisdom of God. asalaam and blessings to you, CAringheart |
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Let us seek Truth together
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AhmadJoyia
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Your reply to my comment is requested, if you please. I repeat it here. Ok, if you say that Jesus left his dirty work to be done by his disciples then why this rule of so called �Discipleship� has stopped after the Saint Paul? Also, why the aid of the �Holy Spirit� used to canonize the Bible and not from the �disciples of the Jesus�, only few centuries down the time? What about now, are there any �disciples of the Jesus� directly communicating with him like the Saint Paul claimed? In the same argument, why the aid of 'Holy Spirit' not sorted but waited for humans to call the council of Nicea to determine the 'Christ's nature'?
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airmano
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I'd wish I could be that patient: Airmano Edited by airmano - 01 February 2016 at 12:26pm |
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses (Albert Einstein 1954, in his "Gods Letter")
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