ALL Christians will go to HELL

Reepicheep wrote: Nausheen wrote: Honestly, this question it way too technical for me to handle... perhaps the opener can explain his intent further...   OK, Nausheen, I think I finally understand what you believe.  To summarize:   - without defining what the word "Christian" means, Abu Loren has declared that every single Christian without exception is destined to spend eternity in hell   - you then came along and declared your belief that Abu Loren is correct in what he says about Christians and hell   - when I asked you for clarification on what Abu Loren believes, you stated that you're not really sure WHAT he believes, but whatever it is, you believe it to be true   You seem to have placed an incredible amount of faith in Abu Loren, since you have apparently attached your eternal fate to his.    Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that on the day of judgement Allah finds Abu Loren guilty of blasphemy for falsly claiming that every single Christian without exception is going to hell.  Even though you admit that you don't know exactly what Abu Loren believes, you have nevertheless declared Abu Loren's beliefs to be true.  So, if Allah decides that Abu Loren is guilty of blasphemy, then you admit that you too are guilty of blasphemy.  Correct?   I find it interesting that you have such a deep belief in Abu Loren that you are willing to tie your eternal fate to his.  Instead of putting your faith in Abu Loren as you seem to have done, I suggest it might be wiser of you to instead put your faith in Allah, but the decision is of course up to you.

TG12345 wrote: Caringheart, This verse in the Quran refers to Christians who lived before Muhammad and according to Islam's teachings followed the teachings of Jesus that the Quran claims He said and the Book it claims God gave Him. There are contradictions in Islam, but this is not one of them.

TG,

"This verse in the Quran refers to Christians who lived before Muhammad"

Who says?  It does not say this in the qur'an.

I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion... from where do you get this conception?  It does not say in the quran, what you are saying... it does not say, 'Oh you Christians who came before I sent you Muhammad'. 

It says that the qualifying factor for belief is
"Whosoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right"

God's Word... in His scriptures, is meant to be for all time.  It doesn't distinguish people of one time from another.  I'm not sure I am quite clear on what it is that you are saying.

Caringheart

note;
 the quranic scriptures differ

whoever believes in allah and his messenger... (we might ask, which messenger was actually meant if this was spoken by Muhammad) and the last day.

and surah 5 was one of the final few to be revealed.

Some things to think about.


Edited by Caringheart - 17 January 2013 at 10:56am

Nausheen wrote: If I make a guess, you are saying that Muslims do not believe in Christ. According to christian belief, yes we deny - ie we deny his divinity. But according to a muslim belief we do not deny him. We believe (unlike Jews)that he was a prophet of Allah. That he was sent to re-establish the law of Moses. (peace and blessings upon them both).

I'm sorry, and I know this sounds contentious, but in all truth(and truly spoken in love), this is known in the financial world as 'hedging your bets'... attempting to cover yourself from both ends.
Wishing peace and blessings.

Nausheen wrote: TG12345 wrote: John 3:16-18<span ="text John-3-16"><span ="woj"><sup ="versenum">16 �For God so loved the world,i]">[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.</span></span> <span id="en-ESV-26127" ="text John-3-17"><span ="woj"><sup ="versenum">17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.</span></span> <span id="en-ESV-26128" ="text John-3-18"><span ="woj"><sup ="versenum">18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.</span></span> Hello TG, I thought you were gone for a while. Good to see you around. Even if its just a few quotes from the Bible. Im not sure what you are trying to say, unless you make a statement alongside. If I make a guess, you are saying that Muslims do not believe in Christ. According to christian belief, yes we deny - ie we deny his divinity. But according to a muslim belief we do not deny him. We believe (unlike Jews)that he was a prophet of Allah. That he was sent to re-establish the law of Moses. (peace and blessings upon them both).

Salaam Alaikum Nausheen,

I was going to take a few days off and am cutting down a bit on the time I spend on here, but decided to answer some posts.

I should clarify what I meant by posting the the verse. For a Christian, believing in Christ means more than believing He was a prophet. It means accepting He was the Son of God and God in the flesh, and accepting what He did for us on the cross, as well as His teachings.

I would imagine it would be similar in Islam... Islam means submission to God if I am not mistaken and I would argue that as a Christian I submit (or do my best to, although at times I sin) to God but you would as a Muslim argue that in order to submit to God I need to believe Muhammad was His prophet, that Jesus is not the Son of God, and a variety of other things Islam teaches.

Believing in Jesus means something else to a Christian than to a Muslim. Submitting to God means something else to a Muslim than to a Christian.

Hope that clarified a bit what I meant. Take care.