ALL Christians will go to HELL

Empiricist wrote:   It is difficult to understand what this verse is saying.  The translation seems incorrect.  The english grammer is not correct and confuses the meaning.  What does or the torment be brought to them face to face? mean?  What is the passage trying to say?

Abu Loren wrote: Empiricist wrote:   It is difficult to understand what this verse is saying.  The translation seems incorrect.  The english grammer is not correct and confuses the meaning.  What does or the torment be brought to them face to face? mean?  What is the passage trying to say?      Ok Mr. Empiricist fair enough. It's saying that the disbelievers would only believe when the punishment like that of Prophet Nuh's flood, the baked clay (sijjil) of Prophet Lut, earthquakes of Aad and Thamud etc. Try this translation       Sahih International   And nothing has prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them and from asking forgiveness of their Lord except that there [must] befall them the [accustomed] precedent of the former peoples or that the punishment should come [directly] before them.

Edited by Empiricist - 24 February 2013 at 11:19pm

Asalamu Calykum all,

Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance.

Idil wrote: Asalamu Calykum all, Was this thread really necessary? I am really ashamed on how some Muslims within our community can act in such a despicable way. I am sure our beloved prophet was never condemning nor saying to people of other faiths that they would go to hell. Instead our beloved prophet was worried about them and for their guidance. It is time that we followed this practice. Only ALLAH knows who will enter hell and who will not and the judgement is truly His. Lets me compassionate towards each other and pray for each other guidance.

What do you find despicable? A christian tells you to worship Jesus, that he died for your sins, and if you don't worship him you're doomed to hell, and Mohammad is a false prophet, and God is three persons in one, and to worship and glorify something other than Allah (subhanaho wa ta'ala) etc. Don't you agree that worshiping Jesus is shirk? What does the Quran say about shirk?

Now what's better, to ignore them and let them continue with this shirk or to advise them and make them aware of the consequences of shirk? What would our beloved prophet expect from us because he cares for all of us believers and non-believers?

Despicable is a strong word. There is nothing to be ashamed of, there is no hate. If I said something that makes you ashamed then you better tell me what it is I said and be clear about it.


Edited by Rational - 28 February 2013 at 5:12pm