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nospam001
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God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Rational
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It's not for us to ask him anything. The plasticine is his and so he can do whatever he wishes with it. He can choose to give whatever purpose to a figure. He can choose to have a figure with no purpose at all. He can choose to make a figure with no arms infinitly or temporarily. He can then choose to give the same figure arms and wings. The plasticine is his, he's the one working with it, he knows the purpose, we can only claim and assume we know. He qualifies to dictate over the plasticine in any way he chooses. Do you disagree? [I can post directly] Edited by Rational - 24 January 2013 at 6:14am |
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nospam001
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By substituting lifeless objects in place of sentient beings you seem to imply that questions 3 & 4 above are both irrelevant. To me, they make a huge difference. Maybe it is naive for me to think that 'justice' has something to do with whether the punishment fits the crime. I am guessing that many readers would agree with you that - just as we see in the grubby world of realpolitik - it's really all about who is in charge, and who doles out the punishment. As long as they're one and the the same, then my notion of 'justice' is rendered totally meaningless or, at best, an airy-fairy construct for philosophers and dreamers. |
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God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Robin Hood
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It seems some Muslims don�t know that the Qur�an talks a lot about intellect.
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nospam001
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"Does the Trinity make sense, or is it just polytheism in disguise?" "Did Jesus ever actually say it's OK to eat pigs?" "Was he crucified, or beamed up at the last minute?" Are these topics a fair cross-section of what gets everyone fired up in interfaith forums? Do they help convince anyone who isn't already convinced? Where might I find a less dogmatic (and therefore more persuasive) presentation of the case for God/Allah? |
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God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Abu Loren
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Mr. Spammer these questions are very fundamental in establishing who Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) was and who God is. If one believes that the Trinity makes sense and Jesus (Alayhi Salaam) said it's OK to eat pigs and that he was crucified then this conflicts with the Islmaic belief and one would label Prophet Muhammad (Salallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) as a false prophet. On the other side of the coin is, of course the opposite, which is that the Holy Qur'an is the Words of God and Prophet Muhammad (SalAllahu Alayhi Wa Sallam) is the Prophet and Messenger of God Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala. So these crucially makes a difference to people's salvation. You've been given intellect by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala but you choose to not to use it and sometimes your intellect is more lacking than a new born baby (not that they lack intellect).
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Webber
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Knowledge without maturity is dangerous. |
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I'm a Gentile.
Numb. 6:24-26 |
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Caringheart
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Greetings nospam, I think Muhammad misunderstood the scriptures; 2 Cor 4:2-4,18 (Phi) ... If our gospel is "veiled", the veil must be in the minds of those who are spiritually dying. The god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, and prevents the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, the image of God, from shining on them... For we are looking all the time not at the visible things but at the invisible. The visible things are transitory: it is the invisible things that are permanent. The god of this world it is the 'god of this world', satan, that has blinded the eyes of the creation, because it is satan that seeks for God's creation to destroy itself. |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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