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nospam001
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In that case, whose hearts would He() seal? Only those ex-Muslims who continue to reject Islam despite knowing the truth. But no sane person would ever do that, surely. So we end up with an extra punishment reserved by Allah() for those who are already insane. |
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God has the right to remain silent. For His advocates, however, each resigned shrug is a missed opportunity to win new converts.
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Webber
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There should be no punishment. If there is no compulsion in religion then there should be no intimidation for a person searching for answers. God is a very personal God, why leave Him to the explanation of others? Especially those who insist you believe something you don't understand. While they should be saying, "May God bless you in your search, then please enlighten me for I am stagnant."
Islam, being the religion perfected, since Adam... 124,000 prophets taught Islam. The Quran says we make no distinction, yet the final hurdle in becoming a Muslim is to place Muhammad above the rest. Unfortunate, we don't have 124,000 accounts, as they would all carry more subjects and wisdom on them. We have but a few. To insist evey man stick to one prophet only is to say you can only have this much of God. |
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I'm a Gentile.
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honeto
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Webber,
when we put things in wrong order in our head that's when it makes us less sense. Yes there were 124000 prophets according to Islamic teachings, and it is true according to the Quran we make no distinction between them. Just like their is a distinction between the first man and prophet, Adam (Pbuh) there is special distinction that prophet Mohammed (pbuh)bears he was the seal of the prophets, the last of the chain of prophets that came to guide humanity. Also for those of us who live after he came as a prophet follow his example and the word of God that came through him puts him closer to us then previously sent ones, as we copy his example. But our love and respect for Jesus, Moses and Abraham (pbut)is in no way less, as they were all Allah's prophets and love ones. They are dear to us so much, that many Muslims name their son's after them as well. Musa (Moses), Ibraheem (Abraham), Daood (David) and Essa (Jesus) are some of most common names among Muslim men, of course Mohammed and Ahmed are more common for the reason I explained above. Humanity has been living for thousands of years and in far places, so it is not hard for me to understand that God sent prophets in all eras and times and we also believe that God sent prophets in all people not just to Bani-Israel, even those who were living in far areas then others. Hasan |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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"Yes there were 124000 prophets according to Islamic teachings, and it is
true according to the Quran we make no distinction between them."
There are those of us who, in keeping with the exhortations of Yeshua Himself, do make a very important distinction. I am quoting someone else here: Jesus doesn't teach that all prophets had the same message... Jesus prophesied that there will be false prophets who will deceive many. I boldened some in the verses below. and, according to the guidance in the Biblical scriptures, written by author of the book called John; 4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.So anyone who believes in what Jesus taught, has a discrepancy to deal with. Salaam. Edited by Caringheart - 30 April 2013 at 1:52pm |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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honeto
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CAringheart,
no offense but it seams, you went backwards in all this time and wasted your chance of learning and growing in knowledge. When I said 124000 prophets, I meant these are prophets from God, it does not include any others. It include prophets like Noah, MOses, Abraham, David, JEsus and Mohammed (pbut). Jesus (pbuh) was himself a prophet, how could he know other than what God told him. And the Bible is not authentic word of God anyway. There is no original Gospel that Jesus preached, so we cannot trust what some men wrote centuries later as versions of Gospels. Those are some of the facts I hear from former Christians, who by God's grace have accepted the truth. Hasan Edited by honeto - 02 May 2013 at 1:57pm |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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Caringheart
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4 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. |
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Let us seek Truth together
Blessed be God forever "I believe in Jesus as I believe in the sun... not because I see it, but because by it, I see everything else.: - C.S.Lewis |
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bronaz
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15 �Watch out for false prophets, who come to you in sheep�s clothing but inwardly are voracious wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruit. Grapes are not gathered from thorns or figs from thistles, are they? 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree is not able to bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree to bear good fruit. ] 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.
The above quote is from Matthew 7 vs 15 onwards. It is clear that False prophets are determined by the fruits they produce. One of the fruits of the prophet Muhammad is the Quran and the religion from it namely Islam. If one follows the discussion titled Surah 14ion:4 you will see that I have stated therein that due to the contradictions present in the Holy Quran, it can in no way construed to be the word of God. It follows therefore that our Muslim brothers have been led astray. If one looks at the places in the world where there is violence, you will find most of the countries have Islam for their state religion. Most incidents of violence and terrrorism seem to have an Islamic connection |
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NABA
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first of All,a person cannot be called as a Muslim unless he follows Qur'an,I have said in my previous posts also,unless there is no effort from ourselves to read Qur'an,Allah will not guide us,if a person calls himself as A Muslim automatically he is agreeing with-Surah Al Maidah ch 5 v 32-if U save an innocent human being,as if U have save the whole humanity,if U kill an innocent human being as U have killed the whole humanity.moreover Allah in Surah Al Qasas ch 28 v 83-Allah clearly says that we will provide the home of hereafter only to those who R not causing any violence or mischief on earth,so those people who cause mischief in the name if Islam are building their place in hell,because meaning of a word Islam is acquiring peace by submitting ur will to Allah,another example of peace from Islam is in Surah Al Fussilat ch 41 v 34-Allah says surely bad deed is not equal to good deed,but if we act good towards our enemy then we will see that enemy will become our best friend.
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