ancient philosophy and religous origin

Caringheart wrote: Greetings islamispeace, I would have to say that wikipedia is a lot less biased source than islamic-awareness.org  However, I am not disputing with you. Did you pay attention to the title of the thread? Shouldn't you be at prayers?

Riiight...Wikipedia, where articles are written by anonymous buffoons, is "less biased" than than a website maintained by an actual scholar who is affiliated with the University of Cambridge among others [http://www.islamic-awareness.org/faq.html]

Oh and I just finished prayers.  Shouldn't you go back to the loony bin?  Isn't it your bedtime?


Edited by islamispeace - 28 August 2014 at 5:01pm

Greetings islamispeace,

I would have to say that wikipedia is a lot less biased source than islamic-awareness.org 
However, I am not disputing with you.
Did you pay attention to the title of the thread?

Shouldn't you be at prayers?  

Edited by Caringheart - 28 August 2014 at 4:40pm

of further interest:

 "The Ka'aba of Mecca was one of several Ka'abas across Arabia each one dedicated to a different god and each having its own coloured stone , the one in Mecca was dedicated to the god Hubal a phoentical distortion of the Canaanite god Ba'al(it started out as Haba'al meaning "The lord" which later on gave birth to Allah which have a similar meaning). Now on the subject of who built it, it's note worthy to point out to the Islamic 3 "Satan's stelles" that Muslims gather around each year to throw stones at in a symbolic way of stoning the Devil .

 Which obviously are obelisks of an Ancient Egyptian design, so I'm inclined to thinking that ancient Egyptians had a hand in its inception , another story worthy of note imo is the story of Abdullah ibn Jada'an a Meccan from around the Time of Muhammad, who was at the beginning banished from the city for being a vagabond and a troublemaker, is reported to have a found a hidden royal burial chamber of the first kings of Mecca full of gold objects making him the richest man in Mecca which granted him the right of return to Mecca (and also it's reported in Islamic tradition that when he opened the tomb he found a giant golden serpent ) so yeah I think Egyptians had a very strong hand in the foundation of Mecca not to mention that even the Islamic story of it's foundation includes Egyptian figures like Hagar which was an Egyptian Servant of Abraham and Ishmail's mother.

 The Bedouins (who raised Mohammed) had Djins - square stone boxes where they believed spirits rested. The Kaaba can be seen loosely as fitting in with this tradition, although the Kaaba could be walked into. There are still some Djins in Petra. If you google 'Djin', you'll see some images. The Kaaba was a place where different, often warring Bedouin tribes would come and, in respite from war, honour their gods. This helped foster trade, and Mecca developed as a commercial as well as spiritual hub."


Edited by Caringheart - 28 August 2014 at 3:54pm

Caringheart wrote: This, I found very interesting. The ka'aba of Zoroaster I am involved in an interesting study of Darius, the king of Persia... gentle ruler... one of the first not to slaughter when he conquered.  Seems people have been evolving, from contact with one another, for a very long time. I wonder when the ka'aba in Mecca was really first built.

Perhaps if you had actually studied this matter more closely, you would have found out that the name "Kaaba of Zoroaster" is from the 14th-century.  It was not the name of the structure when it was first built or for centuries after.  According to the Encyclopedia Iranica, it was most likely an Achaemenid royal tomb, and there is no evidence that it was ever a shrine or a place of pilgrimage.

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/kaba-ye-zardost