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abuayisha
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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 8:23pm |
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Yeah, I understand what Placid said, and in my estimation he makes a really important and valid point concerning the misuse of statements for terrorist purposes. The default for Muslims is kindness with both Muslims and non-Muslims. Statements from the Quran must be understood in context. Forcefulness against unbelievers should be understood to mean during times of war, and certainly Muslims are not perpetually in a state of war with non-Muslims. Allah says, 'As for such (of the unbelievers) as do not fight against you on account of (your) faith, and neither drive you out forth from your homelands, Allah does not forbid you to be kind to them and to behave towards them with equity, for verily Allah loves those who act equitably.' (60: 7-9)
I am only disagreeing with your response (below), and giving an admonition concerning extremism, and acknowledgement thereof (denial is problematic).
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Rational
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Well abuayisha, I felt that you're suggesting that I'm one of those "extremist sympathizers" that need to be sent to saudi to get reeducated and rehabilitated. I know this is a serious issue. Here's what Placid said:
It angers me when people relate terrorism to the Messenger (pbuh). If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it. I don't blame Placid for saying this. Edited by Rational - 18 January 2013 at 3:21pm |
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abuayisha
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What is there to know about you Rational? This is a discussion/dialogue board, and I'm only responding to what you posted. Hostile? Not at all, but this is a serious issue and should not be taken lightly. Perhaps I'm missing something here - please explain.
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Rational
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You don't know anything about me and you're throwing random accusations. What's the reason for being hostile? |
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abuayisha
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Well, Rational, simply put, we have a small and growing number of Muslims, who for ideological and political reasons, have absolutely no problem with murder. Indeed that is sad. The source is ignorance of their religion. I think our Islamic community must face this problem and not pretend it doesn't exist. Saudi Arabia has an excellent program to reeducate and rehabilitate terrorist and extremist sympathizers.
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Rational
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Assalmo Alaik abuayisha, Beautifully put. I'm interested to understand your views a bit better. What is the "sad truth" and what is the source of the problem? What do you mean "Muslims should not be allowed to hide behind your well intentioned platitudes"? |
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abuayisha
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Rational,
it is truly problematic when our community will not face the sad truth of what
has been taking place, and will likely continue, until those of our
coreligionist who believe in an extreme ideology, which in their estimation
makes killing of the innocent "other" a religious praiseworthy duty, are acknowledged and dealt with.
These Muslims should not be allowed to hide behind your well intentioned platitudes. |
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Rational
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Assalamo Alaik abuayisha, Don't put words into my mouth, I never said "whenever Muslims are involved, they are paid agents "to demonise Islam". A Muslim would not kill innocent people. That's all I'll say. |
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