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Dear AhmadJoyia,

I responded to your remarks on the Injeel before you
wrote this last post. Your assertion that the word
Injeel is derived from Arabic just does not stand up
to examination. Read my reply please.
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I will reply to your question if brother Israfil fails to reply within two days from now.

Thanx,

Dayem bin Anwar.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Israfil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2005 at 2:05pm
Due to unfortunate circumstances my comp did not let me post this long post I've written..... I don't however think Howard is sincere anyway so I choose not to re-write it again......I've concluded this because of how Howard's conduct wa sin the other foum.
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What other forum?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Israfil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 October 2005 at 11:44pm

Howard I've constantly had battles with people like you....You're constanting questing just to refute Islam is known therefore there is nothing for me to say. If you sincerely disagree with Islam fine but constantly trying to refute Islamic principle is pointless. If you disagree how about "To you your way and to me mine."

 

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Brother Israfil, u must be referiing to this surah by saying "To you your way and to me mine."

 

Surah 109. The Disbelievers, Atheists


1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!

2. I worship not that which ye worship,

3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,

5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.

6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.

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Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Howard I've constantly had
battles with people like you....You're constanting
questing just to refute Islam is known therefore there
is nothing for me to say. If you sincerely disagree
with Islam fine but constantly trying to refute Islamic
principle is pointless. If you disagree how about "To
you your way and to me mine."




Israfil, hello
Well obviously if one disagrees with the tenets of a
religion or a belief system, then one will try to refute
it. Don't Muslims try to refute Hinduism, Buddhism,
atheism, Christianity etc? A problem often occurs
when people with different if not opposing beliefs
resort to personal abuse in order to 'argue' their
position. I do not use such methods. Now, Muslims
here by quoting certain Koranic verses have tried to
show that Mohammed was illiterate . I examined the
verses in question in a calm and rational manner
and came to the conclusion that the ayat in question
do not prove that Mohammed was illiterate - btw
certain Muslims such as the Kharadjites also hold to
the opinion that Mohammed was not illiterate.

If you want to maintain that Islam is beyond rational
analysis and that your religion is just a matter of
faith, then fine. And in that case, yes, any rational
discussion becomes impossible

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first and foremost Howard how you approach the subject of
Islam and its various components is indeed in question. first off
you ask for proof. I gave you proof then you asked for other
things other than what you've asked. I gave you those yet you
still disregard my post. the transition from a rational discussion
to a perennial discussion of pointless arguments is what I do
not look for.

When one disagrees with the religion one makes it known that
he/she disagrees but doesn't make points to try to refute the
religion. How can I or anyone here take you seriously if you try
to refte Islamic theology? Obviously your arguement sare
subject thus the possibility of an irrational behavior and
irrational discussion. If your disagreement was out of sincerity
then its understandable then there are no quarrels because
you just disagree with Islam. But you coming here trying to
disprove the Qur'an is not sincere nor is it Christ-liek (if you are
a Christian) nor is it the nature of a Judaic follow (if you are a
Jewish follower).

If you are atheist then I'd say the nature of you words are
appropriate. That is whay I refuse to discuss the issue any
further with you. You talk about rational discussion, but I have
yet to find one out of you so I would suggest to you stop calling
what you are discussing now rational. BTW the lacking part of
your so-called rational discussion is evident in your words
"Muslims always ty to refute Hinduism, Buddism Christianity
etc." Obviosly you are God so you know all 1.2 Billion Muslims
in the world. I haven't on here tried to refute non of thoe
religions nor should you make a broad sweeping assertion.
Again I have yet to find any rationality in your person therefore
this conversation is over......
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