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Hi Mahdi,   
Quote: where does it say the messiah will suffer and rise on the third day. please keep it short.

Response: --- The OT prophecy is found in Jonah 1:
17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

---Because of His teaching, they asked Jesus for a Sign, to prove who He was, in Matthew 12:
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, �Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.�
39 But He answered and said to them, �An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

--- To understand the symbolism, --- The first part is this:
God �prepared a great fish� to swallow Jonah. --- After he was swallowed, he was �under� the level of the earth (buried) for three days and three nights.
And this unnatural event ended this way in Jonah 2:
10 --- So the Lord spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.

--- Here is the second part:
God had called Jonah to go and preach to Ninevah, --- but Jonah was rebellious, and disobedient, so he was running away from God, --- which is the state of the natural man. --- And Jonah responds this way in Jonah 2:
1 Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the fish�s belly.
2 And he said: �I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction,
And He answered me.� --- (And his prayer ends with his repentance):
9 But I will sacrifice to You With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.�
10 So the Lord spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.
--- So Jonah, was now forgiven and cleansed of his sin, and went to Ninevah, and God had �prepared the ungodly Ninevites to listen to Jonah� --- (Read Chapter 3 and see how even the king responded.)

The symbolism continues, with Jesus, who �took the place� of sinful mankind, --- and died (which is the separation of body and spirit) and was buried, --- so in this sacrifice, sinful man was �redeemed� and cleansed of sin.
After the three days, Jesus rose in a Spiritual body and appeared to the disciples, who later watched Him as He ascended into heaven.
--- And the promise was given that those who believed and followed Jesus would inherit eternal life. --- The Scripture says, �God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.�

Concerning His suffering for sin in taking our place, it says in Isaiah 53:
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions He was bruised for our iniquities
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

11 By His knowledge My righteous Servant (Jesus) shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.

--- ( Sorry, there are not many short answers to the symbolism in prophecy and fulfillment. --- And there is a little more to add.)


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please do not make long replies which turn out to be irrelevant. where does it say the messiah will suffer and rise on the third day. please keep it short.
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Hi Mahdi,

Quote: Imaginary Bible prophecy
Luke 24:46-47 New International Version (NIV) 46 He told them, �This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Please tell me where 'this is what is written' as claimed by Jesus can be found. Where can we find this prophecy written?

Response: --- It was after his resurrection that Jesus appeared to them, and the context starts in 24:
44 Then He said to them, �These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.�
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, �Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
--- (Note --- that though Jesus had taught them the OT Scriptures, they did not understand, so in 45, �He opened their understanding.� --- He had already told them in Matthew 16:
21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.)

And now, with their opened understanding, in 46 He said to them �Thus it is written (in the Scriptures), and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day. --- And there are many OT Scriptures that predict the coming of their Messiah and Redeemer
While there are fulfilled prophecies that He would be born of a Virgin, and born in Bethlehem, the city of David. --- The New Testament really starts with John the Baptist, who is prophesied here in Isaiah 40:
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: �Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted and every mountain and hill brought low;
The crooked places shall be made straight and the rough places smooth;
5 The glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together;
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.�

10 Behold, the Lord God shall come with a strong hand, And His arm shall rule for Him;
Behold, His reward is with Him, And His work before Him.
11 He will feed His flock like a shepherd; He will gather the lambs with His arm,
And carry them in His bosom, And gently lead those who are with young.
--- (V10 speaks of Jesus as the �Arm� of the Lord, who would rule for Him. V11 speaks of His role as a Shepherd caring for the sheep (followers).

Isaiah 42:1 �Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 51:4 �Listen to Me, My people; And give ear to Me, O My nation:
For law will proceed from Me, And I will make My justice rest As a light of the peoples.
5 My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth,
And My arms will judge the peoples; The coastlands will wait upon Me,
And on My arm they will trust.
52:9 Break forth into joy, sing together, You waste places of Jerusalem!
For the Lord has comforted His people, He has redeemed Jerusalem.
10 The Lord has made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations;
And all the ends of the earth shall see The salvation of our God.

And we see who �the Arm of the Lord is, in Isaiah 53:
1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
4 Surely He has borne our grief And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

10 When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.

There are many more verses, but I will give you this cross reference from Hosea 6:
1 Come, and let us return to the Lord; For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

--- (Sorry, a little long)


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Luke 24:46-47 New International Version (NIV) 46 He told them, �This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Please tell me where 'this is what is written' as claimed by Jesus can be found. Where can we find this prophecy written?
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