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Matt Browne
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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 6:19am |
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Just as a reminder, the Prophet's first wife was a successful career woman.
There are plenty of examples in the Quran and the Hadith that give men and women equal rights. And there are some of examples in the Quran and the Hadith that give men more rights than women, or even demand that women must obey their husbands. For this reason on the one hand you have Muslim women in Saudi Arabia, parts of Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan and Nigeria who are controlled by men, denied education, denied equal rights and so forth. On the other hand you have women in Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, Tunisia who treasure their career and become professors and successful business women. The same applies to most Muslim women in Western countries. So when I look at the previous posts in this debate, it's basically about these two differing approaches. My wife is a teacher and we raised two children who are both adults now. It is possible to have a career and raise children. Edited by Matt Browne - 12 November 2012 at 6:22am |
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Nausheen
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Walaiki assalam wa rahmatullah wa barkatuhu, Jazak Allahu khair for our input. Im not sure if I can relate to the hadith in my situation. Im really scared of doing that - its also said that in solitude ones companion is ones nafs - which is but instigating to evil, so we should always be looking for good company. Another Hadith says a good companion is better than solitude, while solitude is better than bad companion. Since, this person is a good companion - my soul rejecting her is rather an indicator I should reanalyze myself. Don't you think so? Barak Allahu Feeki |
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seekshidayath
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As Salamu Alaikum wa rahmatullah
Sis Nausheen,i read this thread very first day you posted and soon a hadith flashed my mind. It was shared by a member here. Would like to share it again Imaam al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported in his Saheeh that �Aa�ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: �I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) saying: �Souls are like conscripted soldiers; those whom they recognize, they get along with, and those whom they do not recognize, they will not get along with.�� (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Kitaab Ahaadeeth al-Anbiyaa�, Baab al-Arwaah junood mujannadah). Sorry i could not login again then, but today i found this thread active :) What do you say about this hadith ? |
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Nausheen
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Thank you for making things clear.
I guess you were provoked by the time machine suggestion and perhaps made an overgenralized comment against every 21st century career woman - that was what worried me. I agreed with your original suggestion, and also agree with your clarifications. As for your comment on the man should make all decisions in the household - you've got to admit some men do not have the temperament to do this, for whatever reason - if their wives do not step in there will be more chaos in the family unit than otherwise. Women by nature want to be lead, cared for and protected by someone stronger. But there are men out there who cannot fulfil this role completely. It becomes necessary in such circumstances for the wife to take a stronger stance in decision making otherwise outsiders start controlling their family unit. We have deviated far from the original topic, but it was important to know what was implied in your post. barak Allahu feek
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Abu Loren
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Yes it is against Islamic principles for a women to control the household. The man or the husband is the head of the household and all decisions should be taken by him alone, the wife should obey and follow his decisions. The reverse of this is not permitted in Islam.
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Abu Loren
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Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet () cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women. Ibn 'Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) said: The Prophet () said, "O women folk! You should give charity and be diligent in seeking Allah's forgiveness because I have seen (i.e., on the Night of the Ascension to the highest heavens) that dwellers of the Hell are women." A woman amongst them said: "Why is it that the majority of the dwellers of Hell are women?" The Prophet () replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. In spite of your lacking in wisdom and failing in religion, you are depriving the wisest of men of their intelligence." Upon this the woman asked: "What is the deficiency in our wisdom and in our religion?" He () replied, "Your lack of wisdom can be well judged from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to that one man. You do not offer Salat (prayer) for some days and you do not fast (the whole of) Ramadan sometimes, it is a deficiency in religion." Musllim
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah(s.a.w) said: "When your leaders are the best of you, the richest are the most generous among you, and your affairs are consulted among you, then the surface of the earth is better for you than its belly. And when your leaders are the worst of you, the richest are the stingiest among you, and your affairs are referred to your women, then the belly of the earth is better for you than its surface."
All I'm saying here is that women should know their place which is beside their husbands obeying and supporting.
Absolutely nothing. As long as she doesn't control her husband.
Again nothing. As long as he doesn't become a slave to the wife.
I'm not assuming anything. A woman should know her place.
Absolutely nothing.
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Abu Loren
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First of all we are careering off course from the original thread. Secondly, I posted something about career women and Matt Browne reckons that people who believe like that should go back to the Middle Ages. Of course a working woman has not left Islam, that is so silly. By following the Western culture I mean that those Muslimah's who forsake their daily prayers and date and go to night clubs etc etc etc
Same example as above following their peers in the West.
Of course I agree with everything you say. What I meant was those men who let their wives be the 'man of the house'. They follow their wives direction rathan than taking control as head of the household.
No Khadijah (RA) didn't dominate her husband, she bahaved as a wife should by being a faithful and devoted wife.
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hakeema
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As-Salaam alaikum,
"Funnily enough the Prophet of God Muhammad (pbuh) prophecied about this where men will listen to women who will rule them and control them". Where was this stated at? What problem do you have with husbands consulting and talking to their wives about things? What problems do you have with men seeking advice from their wives? How does that make him less than a man? Why the assumption that just because a man is seeking advice from his wife that his wife is controlling him? What problems do you have with women who have opinions and ideas about things? I got more questions but I will ask later. Hakeema |
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