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Assalamu alaika nospam001.
First of all you do not explain the Qur'an disjunctionally and in a disjointed way. Each word must be tied to the rest of the words in a verse. There is the word 'tafaawut' meaning fault, inconsistency. If there is inconsistency and faulty one will expect a crack by the time mankind examines carefully the marvellous art of the Lord of the universe. This is earlier explained in Genesis 1-6. That is the literal meaning. The real meaning is: Allah is the only one who created the seven heavens in the manner He deemed it fit for His Majesty and Might. In the manner Allah created the seven heaves, He also created you and all that you know. The divisions that we see in Islam is not the Art and Work of Allah. Friendship. |
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Ron Webb
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Maybe not, but you wouldn't have posted it if you weren't curious what I'd think, right?
When distances are expressed as times, it usually refers to the distance that can be travelled in that time period. I'm assuming the fastest mode of transportation in Muhammad's time was by horseback, and I understand that the best a horseman can expect to do is about 60 miles in a day. "Seventy-one, seventy-two, or seventy-three years" sounds to me like the maximum expected lifespan in that era, so I think what he was really saying was that heaven is farther than anyone could reasonably travel. I'm not sure he meant it literally, but just for fun let's assume he did and see how that goes. In 72 years a horseman could travel about 1.6 million miles. That's only the first of the seven heavens, of course. Assuming that these seven heavens are concentric spheres, each separated by 1.6 million miles, that would make the seventh one 11.2 million miles in radius. Then above that we have "eight mountain goats", apparently stacked one upon the other, and each adding another 1.6 million miles in height. I'm having trouble picturing this, but somehow or other this amounts to an additional 12.8 million miles, making Allah himself a total of 24 million miles above the Earth. And yet today we know that this number is vanishing small compared to the actual universe. We would need to travel four times as far just to get to the sun (93 million miles); and about 500 times as far to leave the solar system (as defined by the heliosphere at about 11 billion miles -- see my link to the Voyager I web page earlier). Our own Milky Way galaxy is about 600 quadrillion (10^15) miles in diameter. And the universe? Well, the observable universe has a radius of about 280 sextillion (10^21) miles, or about 10 quadrillion (10^15) times bigger than Muhammad supposed. Of course, the actual universe probably extends far beyond that. For all we know it could be infinite. I imagine Muhammad sitting with his friends, watching the clouds go by. Trying to impress them and inspire them with awe at Allah's grand Creation, he makes up a fanciful cosmology using what to them were probably inconceivably huge dimensions. Twenty-four million miles! It amuses me that even Muhammad's lighthearted attempt at hyperbole turns out to be an extreme underestimate. It is another illustration of J.B.S. Haldane's famous remark: "my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." |
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