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Originally posted by m.sumair m.sumair wrote:




Greetings m.sumair,

I appreciate your response. Smile

I would have to do research, but I believe the U.S., and many other countries, have been allies with Israel ever since its inception in 1948... and yes, this means they financially and militarily support one another... no different than the way Iran supports Syria, and all other countries do with one another according to what benefits them and their people.
"How come investing in war(Defenses) brings Peace to world(or least this region)? It creates more tension, of what I understand."
I can not say I understand this either, except that people have always had a need to defend themselves against aggressors.  Unhappy
"Do you mean FOREX. One currency getting strong or weak against other.
Well that depends on overall Economy, the foreign Investment in State, Employment Import n Export...thats what you meant.
So ur saying that US is providing Funds to Israel so that Israel strengthen the US Economy and hence International Exchange."
Well I actually wasn't referring to finances specifically, but the overall general larger picture of exchange between countries, which encompasses many aspects.  Part of this, as I addressed in my first part of this response... I think countries try to build strong allegiances with one another that will encourage and support exchange of goods... boosting economy of each country... supplying necessary and needed goods... which in turn these life links encourage the building of strong support of one another in security of the place from which you derive those goods needed to support your own people.  Any intelligently run country wants to do business with those others who can supply their needs.

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Edited by Caringheart - 03 October 2012 at 3:29pm
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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

war is big business, and big business (not the Jews) to a large extent controls the American government.


I sure hope you know what you are saying, because if war is a BIG Business,
than in order to remain in profit they must do what it takes to grow the business... and war brings destruction and chaos to the lives of many.
....Keep increasing the tension and the business will grow further and further.

Lately I saw a movie Sherlock Holmes- A Game of Shadows,
the story theme was soo true...

 


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Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

but I have a genuine question;
Do you profess to know how it is that governments must be run?
Didn't Muhammad take taxes from certain people in exchange for services?
If U.S. sends money to Israel it must be for a purpose, for something they are receiving in return.  Perhaps added security in the world.


Greetings Caringheart,
Yes Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) took taxes from non-Muslims while Zakat was taken by Muslims (though tax system was quite simple). Surely this is how the government runs, with the contribution of People.
Just asking out of curiosity, Is it just recent that U.S start sending money to Israel or does it dates back, even before 9/11?

I totally agree with you,
Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

but I do know that I would wish to do what could be done to ensure that there would be no nuclear attacks made in the world.
 

But the race of Nuclear Arsenal should be stopped completely and I'm quite certain that you know who is far ahead in the race. Around 10000 war-heads of Neutron Bombs are at disposal of US Army. Israel is continuously advancing in war-tech, and this is quite threatening for countries that are in conflict with Israel. Now I don't understand this that, How come investing in war(Defenses) brings Peace to world(or least this region)? It creates more tension, of what I understand.

Originally posted by Caringheart Caringheart wrote:

Do you profess to know about how all international exchange works?  Because I know I certainly can't make this claim
    

Do you mean FOREX. One currency getting strong or weak against other.
Well that depends on overall Economy, the foreign Investment in State, Employment Import n Export...thats what you meant.
So ur saying that US is providing Funds to Israel so that Israel strengthen the US Economy and hence International Exchange.

Pardon me, If i get it wrong.
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Originally posted by m.sumair m.sumair wrote:

I wonder what are you trying to get at..So u are saying(as per your illustration) that marriage is not acceptable and advisable to societies but sex and per-marital affairs are for the well-being of the society...that's absurd..(maybe not for you).

You're right, it's absurd; and you know perfectly well that's not what I meant, or you wouldn't have expected an apology for it.

Quote It is not factually wrong or conspiracy theory, its a open secret. I wonder why a certain percentage of American people tax goes directly to Israel.

Probably for the same reason that an even greater percentage (in total) goes to various Muslim countries, notably including Pakistan.  Because war is big business, and big business (not the Jews) to a large extent controls the American government.
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Originally posted by m.sumair m.sumair wrote:


It is not factually wrong or conspiracy theory, its a open secret. I wonder why a certain percentage of American people tax goes directly to Israel. The tax of Americans belongs to America..Is Israel part of America? Why each year a portion( in $ billion) of Israel Defense Budget is funded by America(in National Securities) ? Isn't America is hit by rescission and unemployment, Don't they have immediate concern for people instead of funding in Defense budget of Israel?     


Greetings m.sumair,

Not wishing to be antagonistic here, but I have a genuine question;
Do you profess to know how it is that governments must be run?
Didn't Muhammad take taxes from certain people in exchange for services?
If U.S. sends money to Israel it must be for a purpose, for something they are receiving in return.  Perhaps added security in the world.  Do you profess to know about how all international exchange works?  Because I know I certainly can't make this claim, but I do know that I would wish to do what could be done to ensure that there would be no nuclear attacks made in the world.

Salaam,
Caringheart


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Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

I probably should have apologized in advance for that remark.  It was not my intent to offend, but rather to show how one could offend, while staying within the legal protection of freedom of expression.


Stern%20Smile Your "advance" apology would have been, if you had wrote this in your  previous Post.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

Muhammad's marriage to Aisha would have been considered normal and acceptable within the context of his time and society.  I guess it is just another illustration of the fact that just because Muhammad did something or approved of something, that doesn't mean it is acceptable or advisable in all societies and for all time.


Confused I wonder what are you trying to get at..So u are saying(as per your illustration) that marriage is not acceptable and advisable to societies but sex and per-marital affairs are for the well-being of the society...that's absurd..(maybe not for you).

You remembered I asked you a question that :
Originally posted by m.sumair m.sumair wrote:

but than have u studied the life of Muhammad or have u heard about it by someone or somewhere bcoz hearing things means it could be out of context, personal opinion or it could be personal vandal.

And I have got the answer..I know now where is your opinion coming from, so you can now spare the rest of it.

Originally posted by Ron Webb Ron Webb wrote:

The phrase in bold was "They are in power, they rule banks and major economy."  This is factually incorrect.


It is not factually wrong or conspiracy theory, its a open secret. I wonder why a certain percentage of American people tax goes directly to Israel. The tax of Americans belongs to America..Is Israel part of America? Why each year a portion( in $ billion) of Israel Defense Budget is funded by America(in National Securities) ? Isn't America is hit by rescission and unemployment, Don't they have immediate concern for people instead of funding in Defense budget of Israel?     
     

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Originally posted by peacemaker peacemaker wrote:

A comment about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been made with regards to his relation with Aisha (RA).

I probably should have apologized in advance for that remark.  It was not my intent to offend, but rather to show how one could offend, while staying within the legal protection of freedom of expression.

You're right that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha would have been considered normal and acceptable within the context of his time and society.  I guess it is just another illustration of the fact that just because Muhammad did something or approved of something, that doesn't mean it is acceptable or advisable in all societies and for all time.
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Assalamu Alaikum/Peace be upon you,

A comment about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) has been made with regards to his relation with Aisha (RA). While there may be some disagreement with regards to the age of Aisha (RA) at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (peace be upon him), one thing is unanimously agreed by the scholars in Islam that the Prophet had an excellent relationship with his wives, and his marriage was in line with the prevalent traditions in those times. The excellent character of the Prophet has been greatly appreciated by many prominent non-Muslims as well.

I cannot go in details as it is not the topic of this thread.

Since the Muslims intensely love the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions, including Aisha (RA), a cordial and respectful discussion about these personalities can go a long way to develop mutual understanding and cooperation. 

Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?
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