What would this trailer bring to the West? - Event Date: 13 September 2012 |
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Caringheart
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Wait. Friendship. Are you going to tell me that Muhammad and his followers did not have and weild weapons? And then there's this... do you see Americans going crazy on the Islamic embassies in their country? Here is the list. In it is Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen... Edited by Caringheart - 14 September 2012 at 6:37pm |
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Caringheart
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My thoughts exactly Ron. Who is going to listen to anyone non-Muslim, or from the 'evil' west? Hasn't that already been being tried... for how long now?
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Caringheart
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and yet you can say all these things and no one accuses you of hate simply for stating your beliefs... and you throw insults. Hmm
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Ronn.
Then forgive me. I am sure I have expressed my views that mankind is a Muslim for the Arabic word means one who submits to the Supreme Being. Probably if I call you a Muslim you will deny that. t is not an offense for the forum addresses those with faith. Then how are you going to change their attitude if you do not know what is expected from them so as to correct them by non-violent force or otherwise? Therefore the hadith of Muhammad that you fight them with the tongue is indeed what is to be done by all. If Muhammad did something deserving him to be hated, he should be hated. But the most revolting thing for a civilized man is to accuse or deny something not based on practical witness and to be irrational. Believe you me, I am not a Muslim because I was born in it. There is no reward in such belief. The Bible or rather more specifically the Torah convinced me of the truth that Muhammad brought. Friendship Edited by Friendship - 14 September 2012 at 10:55pm |
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
The problem is that a heart that is obsessed cannot be convinced of the truth. I am not saying that you will never believe in what is true. But, I prefer you find facts and digest them yourself. If, he made weapons to kill others and suppress others, how is going to announce that making of weapons is an abominable act? How could he also march to Tabu a distance of about 1,000 kilometers from Madina to confront the greatest and mightiest empire of that period- the Roman empire? You will never believe that during the battle of Hunayn he hired his armor from a Jew in Madina. The Muslims learned the art of craftsmanship from the tribe of Banu Qaynuqa. All the weapons used by Muhammad were those confiscated from them. Every good from Muhammad is a lie! So, what is then the use of this forum? The Muslims involved in such acts are illiterate as well as their leaders. Ask them: Why did King Josiah applied the Torah and the followers of Muhammad are not applying it while the Qur'an is intact. Caringheart! Please use your commonsense and reasoning and understand the parallel! This is the meaning of Qur'an! If the Jews only enjoyed peace after applying the law, tell me a nation that has a Message from their G-d who will enjoy peace if they disobeyed the G-d of the Jews? Are they a superior nation? Is there One God or multiple gods? UNDERSTAND THE LESSONS IN THE TORAH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD. Friendship. |
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Friendship
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Assalamu alaika Caringheart.
This is because you do not listen to logic and find the truth later. You believe that whatever is said by the preachers supporting monarchs is the true Islam. In the first instance there was never a time Muhammad called someone with a name other than a Muslim. Muhammad always addressed the Messengers before him as his brothers. So, you have to address this important question: Where is the source of calling someone a Muslim and a disbeliever. Ensure that you know the rules and regulations surrounding the translation of the Qur'an before you answer me. I do not like walking in the wilderness or making unmarked unguided and unrestricted remarks. For example do you the difference between a 'Zalimin' and 'Zalimun'? Do you know at what point one is called a disbeliever? Read that book I told you to read. Friendship. |
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Ron Webb
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To call me a Muslim would be to associate me with the mobs of rioters that are currently rampaging in cities everywhere. Unless you can agree that they are not true Muslims and do not represent Islam, then yes, at this moment I would regard it as an offense to be called a Muslim.
The question is not how I am going to change their attitude. The question is how are you going to change their attitude? They won't listen to me, but they might listen to you. If you think the hadith that can help you with this, then go ahead and use them; but there are also plenty of hadith and sunnah that they can use to justify their hatred and violence, as I'm sure you know. |
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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Ron Webb
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The British newspaper The Telegraph has a great editorial on this subject. I'll just quote the last few paragraphs, but the whole thing is definitely worth reading:
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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