Interracial relationships

When did I say racism is not a serious problem?

I said that there are problems which are even more serious besetting the Ummah. They have to be solved first. 

Any non-trivial attempt to resolve the issues relating to racism will result in creation  (at least, initially,) of greater divisions amongst Muslims which the external enemies of the Muslim can exploit to their own advantage. I will prefer status quo to be maintained until Muslims ward off external threats.

Besides, racism exist in the Ummah mainly in the form of sectarian discrimination (such as shia-sunni conflict etc.) wherein Muslims belonging to the same race are not at peace with each other  because they follow different "versions" of Islam. It is naive not to distinguish it from racial discrimination. In my country, bald men and dark women find it hard to find spouses, but that cannot be called "racial" discrimination because they can be found in any of the various races of the people living here.

Assalamu Alaikum Brother:

I actually do know the meaning of the word endogamy, but I felt as though it was not the precise word that was needed as used within the reference of your post as the Muslim Ummah as a whole are endogamous regardless of their culture since they primarily choose to marry within the Islamic Community. I personally found the word exclusive to be a more correct definition of what you are trying to state.

In answer to: "You may assume all you want there but I've done plenty on my end physically here with my uiversity, what have you done?"  First, I haven't assumed anything and I have done nothing in regards to this issue because I don't see it to be the overwhelming problem that you see it to be.

There is prejudice everywhere there is ignorance. You can lead a person to enlightenment, but you cannot make them accept it. Even within the so-called multicultural societies prejudice is very apparent. Just look at what is happening in France right now with the North Africans and Muslims. Paris was once called the City of Enlightenment, and African Americans from the US went there to live in the early 20th century to escape oppression. Now the country has disenfranchised these young people to such an extent that they are running amok.

It appears this is something that you are somewhat obsessed with, for whatever reason, and no matter how many examples people bring forth of intercultural marriage, or what reasoning they give you for not wanting to marry a specific person or even not wanting their child to marry a specific person, you will see it as a matter of bias. I think no reason will be good enough for you. Maybe you should look within to see why this is such a huge issue for you personally.

What I know for a fact, is that everything good that happens to us and everything bad that happens to us is our naseeb. Whoever you marry, that is the person you were meant to marry, and you have to be patient until that time comes. If a woman is meant for you, then nothing will stop her from becoming your wife.

Assalamu Alaikum Brother:

Exclusive: Singled out in preference: choice, chosen, elect, select. See choice, include

Not diffused or dispersed: concentrated, intensive, undivided, unswerving, whole. See collect, edge, part

I think sometimes people see what they want to see. I live in an area of the US which has a very large Muslim population. I would say that 98% of the married Western reverts are married to Muslims from Middle Eastern/Asian/South Asian countries. All of the American women reverts that I personally know have husbands from these countries. All of them, and it does not matter what race or ethnicity these Sisters are. Most of the American male reverts have wives from these cultures. A large number of the African American brothers have actually gone overseas to Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, etc, and returned with wives.

There are multi-cultural marriages everywhere within the Muslim population, just look around. I would venture to say that most of the married Western reverts who post here are married to someone from the Middle East or Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc...

As for your assertion that I will not get the point of your topic, you are correct. Not in that I don't understand your posts, however philosophically deep you might believe them to be, but rather I do not get your reason for posting this topic at all if you feel that no one here will understand the point and you argue with anyone who doesn't agree with you. You keep repeating that what you are saying is proven fact, so what is the point? If it is a proven fact, then why even bring the subject up. A fact is a fact and continually bringing it up will not change it.

If you feel that this proven fact is at odds with Islamic principles, then why not go out amongst the Ummah and work to change what you see as a serious problem? In fact, Islamically that is your duty. If you see an injustice, you should speak out against it.

Assalamu Alaikum Brother:

Let me clarify what I stated in a logical manner so that you might better understand what I meant.

1. You stated: "In regards to choosing a mate a lot of cultures mostly Eastern and South asian culture tend to instill this cultural endogamy upon their children."   In this statement you are specifically mentioning a group of people: Eastern and South Asian, and stating that they perform a specific task: instill this cultural endogamy upon their children. By choosing this specific group of people to make this statement about, you are in effect stereotyping Eastern and South Asians. Stereotyping by it's very nature is prejudicial: Muslims are terrorists, Arabs are oppressors of women, Eastern and South Asians are exclusive of other cultures... etc... thus my statement that you are doing the very thing about which you are complaining.

2. You stated: Yes I have a lot to say here because I'm sick of Muslims picking each other apart rather than supporting...  By picking each other apart the assumption is: they are harsh, they are judgemental, they point out each others shortcomings and faults, etc.... Yet, here is the content of the paragraph in which you wrote this statement:

We Muslims here complain about the war in Iraq, Iran, Syria and any country with a high Arab population but what about Sudan? Ethiopia? Malaysia? In this sentence you are inferring that Muslims do not care about countries where the population is not Arab.

We have problems in other areas yet we focus on Arab states. The same as above.

We focus on Pakistan yet we dont focus on Muslim women being raped by Arab militas. In this sentence you are inferring that Muslims find the problems of Pakistan of more importance than that of the Muslim women being raped, I am assuming in Sudan.

Hmmm I see a pattern here. The pattern being that Muslims care only for certain cultures within the Islamic Community?

Not point figers at cultures but I'm saying that there is a pattern of where our priorities are as a community. Here, by stating that you do not wish to point fingers at cultures you are doing just that, then infer that the priorities of the Community lie only within certain cultures.

We can talk about Bush all day long but the thing is until we equip ourselves with knowledge and of true Islamic principles only then we can acheive that enlightenment where our society changes. Here you are inferring that the Muslim Community in general is not knowledgeable of true Islamic principles, and spends time in idle talk. 

As for Candor and Muslims like him they will always win so long as we Muslims keep looking elsewhere..... Here you name a specific person and group of Muslims that somehow fall short of the Muslim ideal.

In each of these sentences you have pointed out a  shortcoming, fault, or been judgemental of your fellow Muslims. In fact, when you state you are: sick of Muslims picking each other apart rather than supporting...   you are pointing out another fault of Muslims. Isn't this pointing out of faults, shortcomings, and actually naming of fellow Muslims picking them apart? Something that you state you are sick of other Muslims doing?

3. In response to my earlier post where I stated: But Brothers, you talk about the injustice of the Ummah today and the prejudices within it, yet your posts reflect these very prejudices. Israfil with his notions that other cultures in Islam are against reverts, and Candor with his weak Westerners remark. Both show the very thing that they are complaining against., you wrote: "I neevr said specifically that all cultures in Islam are against reverts I don't know where you got that crap from, because it is what it is crap!"      The tone in which you responded in this sentence and the language you used causes me to assume that you were upset/unhappy/offended at what I wrote. this is why I wrote that you were upset because I posted a different opinion.

4. You wrote: "True we are all entitled to our opinion but what we must do prior to stating our opinions is "GET ALL THE FACTS" sister Mishmish disappointing that you overlooked all that I said and the only thing you can state about anything what I said was something totally different."   I believe I have all of the facts as I am in fact using the words that you yourself wrote, copying them directly from your posts.  I have not overlooked anything, nor am I referring to any other forum on which you might have posted, but rather what you have written here.