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Originally posted by aka2x2 aka2x2 wrote:

Quran does not say music is Haram (forbidden), and it does say that only Allah (SWT) may make something Haram.


Co-incidentally I was reading something similar by Yahya Adel Ibrahim today. Seems relevant, hence posting. From his post one can gather that Authentic Sunnah is also used to derive rulings for what is Haraam and what is not (not just Qur'an).... but ofcourse the ahadith need to be very sound.

Hope that helps inshAllah. [Source: Yahya Adel Ibrahim's Facebook Page]




What is Haraam


Lets Study Fiqh - Islamic jurisprudence
Part 12
By Yahya Adel Ibrahim
What is Haraam? 

Haraam

Very simply, Haraam is what Allah orders us to abstain from or leave off at all costs, save our lives. Hence, by its very definition participating in anything Haraam entails a promise of a Divinely ordained punishment as outlined in the Quran and/or through the words and actions of the Prophet sala Allahu Alihi as an instruction from Allah through the Messenger. Equally, if it is left off then a person is reward, as Allah wills.

Prohibition (Nahy) is the opposite of command (you will remember that we said in Fiqh things can be defined by their opposites). It is a demand to avoid doing something which the Legislator ALLAH forbids. 

The Two Categories of Haram

The first level of haraam is termed �Haram Li Dhatih,� and is known to always be haraam on its own. Meaning it cannot be made halal in any way. For example, drinking alcohol or eating swine, murder,
fornication�any of the major and minor sins. 
Haram li-dhatih which is forbidden for its own sake due to an inherit quality that is destructive to the individual or social fabric of society.

Can a haram li Dhatih ever be made halal? 

Yes, when it becomes a necessity. If, for example, someone is stranded on an island where swine is the only food available (no berries or fruits, etc.) and if it is a matter of life or death, then it becomes permissible for a person to consume the swine flesh.

The second level of haraam is termed as �Haram Li ghayrih� and this is when an action that is normally halal becomes haraam because of certain conditions. Haram li Ghayrih (which is forbidden for an external reason such as, marrying a woman only to make her legal for another man (tahlil). 
Therefore it is halal action (Marriage) that was made haraam by something else (intending it so that divorce will occur soon after and the former husband can marry her again). As such, how one leads up to an action and the intent behind it will decide whether or not it is accepted.

How do we know if something is haraam?

Haram (also known as Mahzoor) is an unequivocal order from Allah the lawgiver to abandon something completely or during under specific conditions or circumstances. 
The level of proof required to establish the prohibition is the same as the level required for a Fard (as explained by early Hanafi Ulama) and of Wajib (as explained by the majority Ulama of Usul).

The texual evidence for Haram may occur in various forms such as :

a) It may start with "Hurrimat alaykum 

"Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience..."
[Quran - 5:3]. 
b) It may be conveyed in negative terms such as "la taqtulu" (do not kill), "la takulu (do not eat or take). 

And do not consume one another's wealth unjustly or send it [in bribery] to the rulers in order that [they might aid] you [to] consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know [it is unlawful].
[2:188].
c) It may be in the form of a command to avoid 

"O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful."
(Quran - 5:90, to avoid wine-drinking and gambling).

d) It may be stated that it is not permissible (La yahilla lakum, Quran - 4:19)

"O you who have believed, it is not lawful for you to inherit women by compulsion. And do not make difficulties for them in order to take [back] part of what you gave them unless they commit a clear immorality. And live with them in kindness. For if you dislike them - perhaps you dislike a thing and Allah makes therein much good."

e) Prohibition may be proved by declaring a punishment for a particular action (Numerous examples in the Quran - Zina, theft, murder...) 


Nahy does not necessarily mean something is COMPLETELY FORBIDDIN. There are three forms of Nahy:

1- Tahrim (total prohibition) 

2- Irshaad (Moral guidance) 

3-Taadib (reprimand)

Nevertheless, Nahy primarily implies Tahrim, if there is no other indication to think otherwise.

Prohibition requires immediate and repeated compliance, whenever the prohibition is applicable. If the prohibition is conditional, it will be applicable where the condition is present only.

More to follow insha Allah as to where do we get Haraam judgments on things NOT specifically mentioned in the Quran and Authentic Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammed sala Allahu alihi wasSalaam.


"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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You said two Categories of Haram.But is it included in Al Qur'an?
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We can find a base from Qur'an about it.But why
we want to vase when Islam is a compleate code
from Allah.There is every type of example in Qur'an.But i
couldn't find any specific issues in Al Qur'an.So
why people says that Music is forbidden in Islam?
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Originally posted by asheque asheque wrote:

You said two Categories of Haram.But is it included in Al Qur'an?


The categories of Haraam are not stated in Qur'an. Scholars have used these categories to help explain concepts and make things easier.

Also, not everything is mentioned in the Qur'an... which is why we needed Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) to explain and show things to us.

Like Abuayisha pointed out, how do you know how many rak'at to pray during namaaz/ salaah ?


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Do you know why it is necessary to worship to Allah.
Allah says that i didn't give you anything without reason.
So there is must some reasons for those worship.
So do you know why?
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Originally posted by asheque asheque wrote:

Assalam Alaikum..

Just another thing that to know from  bothers is about the issue of music. Some say music is forbidden. Some say if the music does not have certain frequencies it is allowed. Some say it is no harm in listening to any music.

Request for comments.

Please elaborate the context of people who are making these judgement calls about music. Thanks


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Originally posted by asheque asheque wrote:

Do you know why it is necessary to worship to Allah.
Allah says that i didn't give you anything without reason.
So there is must some reasons for those worship.
So do you know why?


It is master and slave relationship that precludes options. You do what the master tells you to do till you learns the ways of the master and have a better understanding of it all. It is a monumental subject that I have touched. When the slave questions the master's orders the relationship/contract  stands severed till the time it is reestablished. Every master wants the worship as proof of the relationship. There are  innumerable example of even the kings in this world and their slaves who ended up inheriting the thrones. That should tell you something.

Further to learn the ways and means to establish justice on the beastly men that inhabit the lands and seas.

This world and things in it run also on a master slave relationship, some seen and other unseen, on micro and macro scales. The man made machines run on the same principle if you like to get into that area.


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Slave means a person who is bound to obey his master.
A thing is that will Allah give u any order without any reason.
A person who will give order without his benefit what u will say him.
I thing foolish.But Allah is not foolish.Than have the answer?
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