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Angel 
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 Topic: Spells...some weird stuff to ask aboutPosted: 29 September 2005 at 7:35am |
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I see. about disposing them, I still stand by my words thou, they are your husbands papers and he needs to agree to getting rid of them.
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222dnallohc
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Posted: 24 September 2005 at 7:08pm |
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Angel, I was told by my husband that they are some sort of "protection" for him- he thought they were a spell...and if they were ever to by unwrapped and opened that he was instructed to do all kinds of strange things, like open it under water then throw it in the ocean. And one of them looks like its written in blood on the back of an animal skin. I don't see how such things can protect a person. To me, I consider this some sort of charm and its forbidden to have such things. A person must seek refuge in Allah directly and doesnt need strange symbols and writings on papers and dead animal skins. My husbands mother is a person who believes in (and goes to) fortune tellers, so something like this from her with such instructions on how to open them is unIslamic in my opinion. The most unfortunate part is that whoever wrote them used the name of Allah (swt) in this way. |
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herjihad
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Posted: 21 September 2005 at 9:47am |
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Bismillah, Ummziba and Rami, you have given me a lot to think about. |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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Angel
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Posted: 18 September 2005 at 7:30am |
That is a decision between you and your husband, and since its his papers he has to agree. Just curious, if you cannot understand what the papers say, how do you know it is a spell ? And if one of them is asking protection for your husband from Allah, I presume that is what you understand, then what is the problem in keeping them ? how is that a spell (of a good luck charm?) ? Many people ask for protection from God.
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rami
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Posted: 16 September 2005 at 5:41pm |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
assalamu alaikum Alhamdulillah sister, i thought you didnt believe it existed but you are corect those who have faith in allah are pretected but we cant say they can not be harmed. Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) who no one can have greater faith than him was affected by it, so allah can allow it to affect us no matter what we do as trial or expiation for our sins or any other reason allah chooses no one is 100% protected from it. What is important to remeber is that it is by the will of allah. |
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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Posted: 15 September 2005 at 1:54pm |
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Assalamu alaikum, Dear Brother Rami, I do not wish to argue with you, as I respect you too much. Let me just say my last on this subject. I have not denied that magic doesn't exist, of course it can corrupt or affect those who do not take refuge in Allah. My point is only enforced by surah al falaq, that no one who takes refuge in Allah can be harmed by evil. It is the constant remembering of Allah, being steady in our prayers, fasting, doing good deeds and keeping Allah always on our mind and in our heart that protects a believer from magic and other evil. That is exactly my point. Only those who forget Allah, are weak in faith or are weak minded can be bothered by magic. The blessed remembrance of Allah protects us and He tells us so exactly in surah al falaq. Magic cannot have any power over a believer who seeks refuge in Allah. I do not wish to lead anyone astray. Allah is crystal clear in the Qur'an! Allah, azza wa jal, protects those who seek refuge in Him. We don't need amulets or charms or spells or mumbo jumbo, we only need Allah, and Mighty and Majestic is He! May Allah shower you with Blessings, Brother, and may He keep us all on the straight path! Peace, ummziba. |
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rami
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Posted: 15 September 2005 at 11:58am |
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Bi ismillahir rahmanir raheem
asslamu alaikum Ummzibba black magic does exist and so does the evil eye. They are both mentioned in the Quran and sunnah. I sugest you read the sirah of the prophet becouse he became under the influence of magic, by the will of allah. It was nothing more than an illness but its cause was magic.
�And they followed what the
shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Suleiman was not an
unbeliever, but the shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was
sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no
man until they had said, �surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a
disbeliever.� Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might
cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any
one except with Allah�s permission, and they learned what harmed them and did
not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no
share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their
souls; had they but known this.� Al-Baqarah 2: 102 The Jews were adamant in
propagating the thought that H.Suleiman (A.S.) indulged in magic. Hence, the
Holy Quran had to clarify distinctly that H.Suleiman (A.S.) was a Prophet of
Allah (S.W.T.) he did not commit magic. Here the verse uses the words
�Unbeliever� and �disbelieved� for magic! This verily denotes the intensity of
this crime. A person becomes a disbeliever in the realm of action once he
indulges in magic! Insha Allah when i have time i will type out the full account of these two angels and why they came to earth. Al falaq
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Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.
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222dnallohc
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Posted: 15 September 2005 at 11:02am |
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Asalamu Alaikum, We have found that one of the papers is like a protection for my husband...like a "good luck charm". It is very difficult to read the handwriting, but we do know that it does mention Allah many times. The other one, we are not able to read at all, so we dont know if its another "good luck charm/protection" or something meant to bring harm to me. In any case, I understand it to be haram to believe in such things...the way it is written and wrapped up suggests to me that it a "charm" which is forbidden. My dilemma is just what to do with them now...is it right for me to dispose of such a thing when it mentions Allah....? This is a new learning experience for me. Thank you for the responses. It is an interesting discussion, since its clear that people have very different views on the subject. JazakAllahkhairan |
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