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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 22 February 2012 at 11:23pm | |
Hi Holly, I'm sorry that you feel your religion is being attacked. As Muslims, we are forbidden by God to insult other religions. Crusades and all that happened during is a historic fact - mentioning the Crusades doesn't mean we are attacking Christianity. I assure you that most muslims (including Seekshidayath) do not blame Christians or their religion for the actions of a few in the past.
May I add that Saudia Arabia is just one of the many muslim countries in the world, and they (the Saudi govt or people) don't necessarily represent Islam or all muslims in everything. Also, there are Christians living in Saudia Arabia - legally. They work there as expatriots and are living comfortable lives. Infact the USA has many bases in the Saudia Arabia too. (I'm assuming they are non-muslims too). Christanity is not forbidden in Saudia Arabia, however proselytizing Christianity is. It is a conservative country yes, it has its own rules, yes. As do many countries & cities all over the world. Feel free to comment and/or ask questions! See you around :) |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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lady
Senior Member Joined: 20 September 2006 Status: Offline Points: 314 |
Posted: 23 February 2012 at 1:34am | |
Hello Holly. I just wanted to inform you that I am thinking about moving to Saudi in 8 months for two years for work. In the past month and a half, I have met maybe close to 8 american christians who lived in Saudi for like 2-8 years. And they all said that they loved it too. I did ask some of them how they were treated as Christians and catholics living in Saudi. And they told me that they did not have a problem at all, and they loved it there. I then asked them would they return if they could? And all of them said yes. But the only reason why they came back to the US was because their husbands were able to find more of a stable job here and plus they missed their families in the US.
I lived in Kenya for two years in 2001-2003. And the muslims and the christians respected each other. how? they lived peacefully together in the same village. Also too, they employed each other as well in their own businesses, and they attended school together, and befriended one another. And during the month of Ramadan, the chrisitians would celebrate with the muslims in many ways. If you travel and make friends with people from over the world, then you will see this type of treatment I mentioned above between the muslims and chrisitans occuring many times, and not just on rare occasions. Edited by lady - 23 February 2012 at 1:35am |
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Hughes
Guest Group Joined: 31 January 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 23 February 2012 at 8:09am | |
Just curious, what happens when a Muslim converts to Christianity? Do the other Muslims rejoice for that convert? What exactly is freedom or no compulsion? |
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 24 February 2012 at 10:48pm | |
Freedom and ''no compulsion'' means that nobody is forced or compelled to become a Muslim. God says in the Quran: 'There is no compulsion in religion'. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things."" [Quran, Chapter: Baqarah 2:257] Which is why when people say that "Islam was spread by the sword'" they have no idea what they are talking about. As for asking whether or not other Muslims rejoice if a Muslim decides to leave Islam... obviously if we Muslims believe that Islam is the truth, and we see somebody leave the folds of Islam it will sadden us. Just like practicing Christians would feel sad if they saw a fellow christian leave Christianity or go join a different sect. Its an understandable human reaction. I don't think Christians, Hindus, Jews or ANY religious community would rejoice if a member of their community decided to leave their religion. So why the focus on us Muslims only? |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Hughes
Guest Group Joined: 31 January 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 25 February 2012 at 8:22pm | |
Why focus on Islam? Main reason is that I have heard that if your son or daughter converts to Christianity, away from Islam, it not only saddens you, but dishonors your family. There are numerous cases where families kill their children who dishonor their family in this way. This doesn't sound like a religion that isn't based on freedom, but compulsion. |
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Chrysalis
Senior Member Joined: 25 November 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2033 |
Posted: 28 February 2012 at 10:13am | |
Still doesn't answer the question, why focus on Islam? Have you not heard of Christians or Jews killing people with religious motives? If not, I can direct you to a lot of such instances. That wouldn't make for a very friendly thread though, so I'll desist. If Islam is not a religion based on freedom, then why do people still convert to it in large numbers? [Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday. I'll repeat, even practicing Temple/Church/Synagogue going conservative Parents of other religions will also feel 'dishonored' or sad if their child decides to fore go the religion of their ancestors. Its a human tendency. Such cases are not very common in muslim communities. Such conversions are a rarity, and even amongst these cases 'honor killings' taking place are an anomaly... not the norm. |
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"O Lord, forgive me, my parents and Muslims in the Hereafter. O Lord, show mercy on them as they showed mercy to me when I was young."
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Hughes
Guest Group Joined: 31 January 2012 Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: 28 February 2012 at 6:50pm | |
In Muslim countries (Those countries controlled by Muslims), we find many things that are not peaceful or free. For example, as was mentioned, the idea of honor killings is not found because of Christian ideas, no where does Jesus or any Christian say to kill another because of honor or dishonor or any belief system. Rather, in Christianity we find freedom and loving even those who we disagree with. In Stark opposition to this intellectual freedom are many Muslim countries that it's against the law to say anything against Islam or Muhammed, and if one is found guilty of such a crime they are put to death. Now, to the outside world the claims to be free and "no compulsion" are laughable. Because everyone knows that if the governmental laws dictate what people can or cannot say about Islam and Muhammed, it's not freedom we are talking about, it becomes obvious that Islam isn't about peace but control and submission. Edited by Hughes - 28 February 2012 at 6:54pm |
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iec786
Senior Member Joined: 06 February 2012 Status: Offline Points: 508 |
Posted: 29 February 2012 at 7:48am | |
Hughes,
Why do you run away from the Holy Bible??????. no where does Jesus or any Christian say to kill another because of honor or dishonor or any belief system. Rather, in Christianity we find freedom and loving even those who we disagree with. Here is what your religion says. APOSTASY : ". . . neither shall thine eye pity him (the apostate), neither shalt thou spare him, neither shalt thou conceal him: "But thou shalt SURELY KILL HIM: thine hand shall be first upon him TO PUT HIM TO DEATH . . ." DEUTRONOMY 13:8, This is laughable. |
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