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    Posted: 10 September 2005 at 9:56pm

Mahathir calls US, UK terrorist nations


Friday 09 September 2005, 16:01 Makka Time, 13:01 GMT Al-Jazeera 

 

Mahathir ruled Malaysia for 22 years before retiring in 2003

 

US and British pilots whose bombs killed Iraqi civilians were murderers, and actions taken by those two countries during the invasion and occupation of Iraq amounted to terrorism, former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad has said.

Several British and US diplomats walked out in protest of Mahathir's broadside against their countries in a speech at a national conference in Kuala Lumpur on human rights on Friday.
 
Mahathir, who ruled Malaysia for 22 years before retiring in 2003, also defended his human-rights record in government. He was often criticised for detaining suspects without trial under a security law and for the imprisonment of former deputy prime minister Anwar Ibrahim.
 
Mahathir decried the deaths of thousands of Iraqi civilians as a result of the US-led military invasion and occupation. He compared American and British actions in Iraq to rocket attacks by Israel on Palestinians, and referred to those countries as "these terrorist nations".
 
To kill and maim

"The British and American bomber pilots came, unopposed, safe and cosy in their state of the art aircraft, pressing buttons to drop bombs, to kill and maim," Mahathir said of the Iraq invasion.

 

Mahathir called British and US
bomber pilots 'murderers'

 

"And these murderers, for that is what they are, would go back to celebrate Mission Accomplished."
 
"Who are the terrorists? The people below who were bombed or the bombers? Whose rights have been snatched away?"
 
He also questioned why there was no tally of Iraqi deaths while every US soldier's killing is documented.
 
"These are soldiers who must expect to be killed. But the Iraqis who die because of the US action or the civil war in Iraq that the US has precipitated are innocent civilians who under the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein would be alive," said Mahathir.

 

'It was a lie'

Mahathir, who when in power was a US ally in the fight against terrorism although he opposed the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, noted that Washington's reason for invading Iraq was that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
 
"As we all know it was a lie," he said.
 

"Who are the terrorists? The people below who were bombed or the bombers? Whose rights have been snatched away"

"Worse still, the powers which are supposed to save the Iraqi people have broken international laws on human rights by detaining Iraqis and others and torturing them at Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere," he said, referring to US prison camps.

British High Commissioner Bruce Cleghorn and several unidentified US officials attending the conference walked out midway through Mahathir's speech.

British and US diplomats were not immediately available for comment.
 
Very distasteful

Hamdan Adnan, a senior official with the state-backed National Human Rights Commission, described the diplomats' action as "very distasteful.

"If they claim to subscribe to the democratic process, why can't they listen?" he told The Associated Press.
 
The US accused Mahathir of rights violations when he fired Anwar as his deputy in 1998.

Anwar was arrested after leading anti-government rallies, and sentenced to 15 years in prison on corruption and sodomy charges. He was freed on appeal last year, after serving the corruption sentence.

 

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Now you are Cousin-in-Chief Mockba. I wonder how I missed this one? They had to walk out in such light of truth, dew always evaporates with the first ray of sun.
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Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

Now you are Cousin-in-Chief Mockba. I wonder how I missed this one? They had to walk out in such light of truth, dew always evaporates with the first ray of sun.


Please, what a joke - you're going to give veracity to this guy?:
"Mahathir, who ruled Malaysia for 22 years before retiring in 2003, also defended his human-rights record in government.  He was often criticised for detaining suspects without trial under a security law and for the imprisonment of former deputy prime minister Anwar Ibrahim."

That should be enough info right there for us to understand the diversionary tactics going on...what's he trying to preserve his 'legacy?'


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The guy may not be credible... BUT why did the advocates of "democracy" and "freedom of speech" walk out mid-way through the speech? Nature's call?

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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

The guy may not be credible... BUT why did the advocates of "democracy" and "freedom of speech" walk out mid-way through the speech? Nature's call?



Good one...but MOCKBA whether Mahathir's credible or not bears exactly to the point...if he's not credible on human rights then why are you holding him up to be heard?


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My "may not be credible" statement leaves plenty of room for credibility to be established therefore it does not completely deny what he says. Now before it is established it would reflect some decency if "freedom preachers" would have at listened to the end if not giving him benefit of doubt.

If these "freedom preachers" seem to enjoy and further propagate fabrications and lies like that of WMD's in Iraq and Saddam's involvement in 9/11... then i conclude that what they don't like to hear - is truth.

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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

My "may not be credible" statement leaves plenty of room for credibility to be established therefore it does not completely deny what he says.Now before it is established it would reflect some decency if "freedom preachers" would have at listened to the end if not giving him benefit of doubt.

B: Now let's see what you're suggesting.  Comparing the US, UK, Poland, Italy and Australia, which all rule by the will of the people and under the auspices of internal and international law (including the UN charter and mandates) et al to terrorists, by which we know among others we mean Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, Zarqawi the child killer, et al is POTENTIALLY LEGITIMATE TO YOU MOCKBA?!  We should just be clear about what you're saying..

Mahathir would receive decency if he would give it, which he clearly did not, calling those assembled there terrorists no different from any of the pariahs aforementioned.  You should talk to all those prisoners he held without charges and those innocents that he held against their wills simply to maintain his power before you're so quick to defend him, so quick to impugn those countries that walked out on his not only illegitimate but personally duplicitous statements and prevarications.   If not for common decency, given first, why else would you demand they listen to Mahathir?!

Now, it may be that you agree with Mahathir, the corrupt former Malaysian leader, that to remove a 2 million over mass murderer and the pariah regime of the Taliban was 'as evil' as the heinous psychopaths and psychopathic crimes themselves.  But you're not really saying that - are you?

If these "freedom preachers" seem to enjoy and further propagate fabrications and lies like that of WMD's in Iraq and Saddam's involvement in 9/11... then i conclude that what they don't like to hear - is truth.

B: So whatever is convenient to your ultimate goal of tweaking it in the eye of the US, and others, stands, in your mind, as truth?  Interesting definition of truth, that.  By the way - was Saddam a threat to regional and world peace, at all, even if he didn't have all the WMD capabilities that he let onto having up through March/April 2003?  Would you rather he be in power?  Would you rather he be implementing his acid baths for many, many more and shooting more babies through the head? 

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Just curious about that - since you seem to have this corner on the market on truth..yes, Mockba, speak to us about 'decency...'



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I began to spot Zarqawi's name frequenting mass media quite some time after US invaded Iraq. Those days Bush was chasing Bin Ladens... and armadillos.

Zarqawi was probably still in his mother's womb while "the freedom preachers" including the likes of their puppet-Saddam were stomping innocent people without sparing children.

Wasn't it Rumsfeld "holding towels" whilst in Iraq during those "acid bath" years you mentioned? Though i am not a wild supporter of Mahathir, I do not recall him being called to answer for Guantanamo Bay atrocities... not to mention the legality of holding foreign nationals under unwritten law in a third country. Must be somthing to do with "centuries-old" government system of Poland or Berlusconi's exceptional principles of "justice" ... or Powell's... well, the guy just evaporated together with his presentations on threats, may be he have figured out that schizophrenia can be treated and controlled these days.

There is nothing more threatening to the regional and world peace than fear in the heart of a coward... Don't feed me this "would you rather" stories especially when your perception of reality is based on some imaginary threat in the future. Has any of your leaders faced enemy on a battlefield (and i do not mean Harrison Ford)? We are all enlightened by Bush's "patriotism" during his military service for the beloved country. They must be as "honest" as they are "brave and courageous". 

Your claim that the countries you mentioned rule by the will of the people, is not insulting to me... but the very people who live in those countries. Save your definitions of truth, civilization and people-power for the dead in New Orleans... nobody suspected al-Qaeda this time... perhaps because it was Mahathir?  

 



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