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m.sumair
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Matt brown, u keep giving example that u choose not to draw pictures of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h).....". But if ur a Christan than its not ur right or choice but an "Obligation" of not to humiliate any Prophet as they r all Messengers of God, and not bcoz of "Muslims dont like it". And than u compare this with Muslim woman veil...." but Matt, its is a religous right of a Muslim woman that she may exercise, When does a regional/cultural thoughts limits a religious belief? Why laws are pass to forbade a woman from her right? Why ethical issues (Grey a.) are given black & white distingusion? Why Grey areas r dealt so strictly while other areas (like drawng pictures...&others..) are left causal? Why does a freedom of expression held true only for people othr thn Muslims? Why can't a Muslim woman express her thoughts and belief out in public? |
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peacemaker
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Assalamu Alaikum, Here is a relevant article: http://www.iviews.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IV1202-5004 May Allah (SWT) guide us all. Peace -------------- Lift the Niqab Ban
2/7/2012 - Opinion Social - Article Ref: IV1202-5004 Number of comments: Opinion Summary: Agree: Disagree: Neutral: By: Asad Latif Iviews* - In many nations, Niqab has been banned. And there is a growing apprehension in some others that it should be banned, citing various reasons - ranging from security threat to women's oppression. They look over it condescendingly, misconstruing that it oppresses women. Islamic teachings dictate that Muslim women must wear Hijab (headscarf) and cover her entire body with the exception of her face and hands when they are around strangers, away from their loved ones, or exposed to unrelated men. There is a difference of opinion on this matter, and many Islamic scholars stipulate that covering of the face (Niqab) is also required. A nation cannot claim to promote freedom of expression, yet practice blatant religious discrimination. It is not in the interest of any community, nation, and the world to curtail these rights that are enshrined in the constitution of a civilized nation. Such missteps impede the efforts to promote tolerance and peaceful coexistence. ***** Asad Latif has an engineering background and is a writer based in Toronto, Canada. He writes on diverse issues - social, political, economic, religious, and technological. He can be reached at alatif2002yahoo.ca. |
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abuayisha
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SHEEMA KHANHate it if you want, but don�t ban the niqabsheema khanFrom Wednesday's Globe and MailPublished�For much of modern history,� he wrote, �what characterized governments in Europe and North America, and differentiated them from those around the world, was not democracy, but constitutional liberalism. The �Western model� is best symbolized not by the mass plebiscite but the impartial judge.� Inherent in this model are safeguards against the �tyranny of the majority,� so inalienable rights of a minority are protected against the whims of the majority. As John Stuart Mill argued, a social body has no right to coerce or restrict the individual unless the individual causes harm to others. Given that constitutional liberalism is the bedrock of Canadian values, what are we to make of Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney�s diktat concerning women wearing the niqab at citizenship ceremonies? Mr. Kenney is cynically exploiting public fear and ignorance to further stigmatize an easy target. False assumptions abound: Women are coerced to wear it; the niqab has nothing to do with Islam; the women must have something to hide; they must be brainwashed. Yet, talk to a few niqabis and you�ll find the opposite. The majority, while decrying oppression and trumpeting �Canadian values,� is prepared to deny a group of women their fundamental rights. According to Mr. Kenney, the niqab hinders verification of the recitation of the citizenship oath. Why the focus on the niqab? Are the lips of all citizenship candidates scrutinized at these ceremonies? Why not simply allow an oath officer to hear the recitation, after proper identification? Sex and the niqab: both forbidden during the hajj. As is fasting. Is Mr. Kenney qualified to make rulings on matters deemed complex by Islamic jurisprudence? Not coincidentally, the minister chose to make his comments while the Supreme Court of Canada considers whether a woman should be allowed to testify in court with her face covered. Governments decline comment on cases before the court to give the appearance of judicial independence. Yet, a minister of the Crown says the niqab is �bizarre� and has no place in public testimony. The Harper government has done a 180-degree turn on the niqab. In 2009, the Prime Minister�s Office said: �In an open and democratic society like Canada, individuals are free to make their own decisions regarding their personal apparel and to adhere to their own customs or traditions of their faith or beliefs.� On Monday, Mr. Kenney said: �We are all coming together as Canadians in a public ceremony and if you don�t like it, if you feel uncomfortable, then maybe you chose the wrong country in the first place.� He added: �I�m sure they�ll trump up some st**id Charter of Rights challenge.� Imagine, a minister of the Crown publically denigrating those who seek their constitutional rights. One may detest the niqab. But are we prepared to abide by the fundamental principle of defending opinions with which we disagree to safeguard the rights of individuals from coercion? Our past forays into exclusionary politics have resulted in shameful policies against minorities, not to mention the cultural genocide of the aboriginal population. Inas Kadri had her niqab torn off by a woman in a Mississauga mall in the summer of 2010. The incident did not shake her faith in Canada. Rather, she re-evaluated her role as a citizen: �Living with people in this society, I think I should work harder to educate people about my religion.� Fellow niqabi Sana Mutawi summed it up best: �We want our kids to be brought up in an understanding community, so they will be good citizens.� Hate the niqab all you want. But banning it is not a Canadian value. Edited by abuayisha - 07 February 2012 at 9:58pm |
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Matt Browne
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Why can't an atheist woman express her thoughts and her belief in freedom of speech out in public? Freedom of speech allows her to draw anything she likes. Or say anything that she likes. Including what many Muslims would consider to be an insult.
The reason is that in a globalized world with hundreds of religions and hundreds of worldviews there's potential for contradicting beliefs. And we need to make the best of it. By avoiding to hurt each others' feelings. And showing respect. In flourishing communities in Western societies based on caring, kindness and generosity we need to see the faces of our fellow human beings. If we don't, it hurts. Some people are even scared. Others get terribly angry. I try not to get angry when I see a faceless woman walking by, but I can't ignore my emotions of pain such encounters create. It hurts because I have a need to see the faces of the people in the society I live in. Islam as a religion does not dictate face veils. Only culture does. Edited by Matt Browne - 14 February 2012 at 4:17am |
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Reepicheep
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abuayisha: I don't understand the point you are trying to make with your post dated january 23 which contained two links about the Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC).
If you are saying that the members of MCC are "moderate muslims", then of course I agree with you.
If you are saying that the members of MCC are not muslim because they are moderate, then that is a matter between you and Allah.
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Matt Browne wrote: This is very encouraging
For the most part, muslims in North America (especially Canada) are very moderate. This is due to two reasons:
(1) while only approximately 20% of muslims world wide are Shiite, over half of Canadian muslims are Shiite. Shiites, in general, are much more moderate that Sunni muslims. In particular: many of Canada's muslims belong to the Ismaili and Ahmadiyya sects, who believe in the separation of "church and state".
(2) many of Canada's Sunni muslims (for example, those who belong to MCC) are also very moderate. Obviously, muslims who hate religious and political freedom as practiced in Canada would (for the most part) never move to Canada in the first place.
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Hayfa wrote: why does anyone need to see their faces?
There are three reasons why women should show their faces during the Canadian Citizenship ceremony:
(1) so that Canadian officials and those spectators in attendance can confirm the womens' identities,
(2) so that Canadian officials and those spectators in attendance can confirm that the women are actually speaking the citizenship oath and not keeping silent, and
(3) as a sign of respect for their fellow Canadians.
Anyone seeking Canadian citizenship who has so little respect for Canadians that they refuse to show their faces during a five minute citizenship ceremony have no reason to become Canadian in the first place.
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abuayisha
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In your post the MCC was said to be a 'prominent' organization, and not being from Canada myself, and having never heard of Muslim Canadian Congress, I offered our forum readers additional clarity as to who they are, this assuming others may also not know them as well.
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m.sumair
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Matt Browne, Islam doesnot dictate to veil the face, true. Islam does give option to veil the face aswell but this act 'was' highly recomended/complursury to the Wives of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) as is mention in Quran chapter: 33.
Matt, I do agree with what u hav said in ur last post tht we should reduce the conflict among us but than just consider tht passng out banning laws won't help it. Those who are drawng pictures are doing ths in utter chaos of whatever thy think, tryng to humiliate every Prophet and Prophet Muhammad(p.b.u.h) in particular. But thn u cant pass out laws to ban such people as "freedom of speech" will get sabotage. All such issues arises due to diffrnce of thought & belief, its an ethical issue so plz dont give it a legal picture. We may get hurt from the things we dont approve or feel offended but thn wht shall we do? Should we pass out laws? I thnk we shld develop mutual understndng and try to cope with eachother as much as possible. We both hav diffculty with it bt lets put it togethr. See Matt, my whole pt. of sayng all is tht today thy r banning veil, but God forbid if tomorow thy say to ban othr dress code like wearng scarf or loose, long colthes thn ths will be very serious issue as Islam has explicit recomendation to women as all. Forfeiting religious partice (whch is a sign modesty aswell), concern us. So let just keep it moderate nd sort it out more causully rathr thn formally. I do agree tht whr face identificaton is cmplursury (like in citizenshp cere.) thn it must be dne without any objection but out in public plz dont make it cmplursury. |
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m.sumair
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Reepicheep, I m bit curious with wht u said as a ''moderate muslims''..bcoz to my understndng either there r practsng muslims or non-practsng ones. Who r these moderate ones? Yes, I do agree tht most of us muslim are weak at performanc whlie othrs are hypocrates ...thn wht is the moderate muslim?
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