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truthnowcome wrote: where thay got the word �Gospel� from and why they used it

As I understand it: the Greek word used in the biblical manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as "good news".  The first translation of εὐαγγέλιον into English (around a thousand years ago) was "god spell" ("good news" in Old English).  Over the centuries, this was shortened to godspell and then gospel.  Also over time, the definition of the word "gospel" was not limited to mean "the message of Jesus" but also came to refer to the first four books of the New Testament, where the message of Jesus was given.  So, then, a sentence like the following:

The Gospel of Mark contains the gospel.

would be grammatically correct, but probably confusing to most people.

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truthnowcome wrote: why the Christian�s scholars translate the word as �Gospel� instead of �Good News� because if we say Jesus preaches the �Good News� it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the �Gospel�.   

A "healthy" language like English is kind of like a living creature, in that the language is constantly evolving over time.  This often causes problems when the meaning of words change over time.  A good example is the phrase "Holy Ghost" from the King James translation of the bible.  The word "ghost" now has meanings different from 500 years ago, so as a result the phrase "Holy Spirit" has now come to be used.  Another example is the word "gay" which nowadays has a connotation much different than fifty years ago.

The same applies to the word "gospel".  The tendancy nowadays is to translate the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον as "good news" rather than "gospel", probably because of the confusion you make reference to.  If you check out the following link:

http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm

you will see many examples of "good news".  The NIV (New International Version) is probably the most widely used recent translation of the bible, and it uses the phrase "good news".

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truthnowcome wrote: can you tell me what the �Bible� is? 

The bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament.  The books of the OT were written prior to the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, while the books of the NT were written after these events.

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truthnowcome wrote: nowhere in Jesus� message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible

On the contrary: there are many hundreds of places in the New Testament where Jesus and others either quote from or refer to the Old Testament.  I'll give you one example which is directly relevent to our current discussion:

He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.  The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 
�The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..." 

Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down.  The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, �Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.�  Luke 4:16-20

An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2.  So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures.

There are, of course, no examples in the bible of Jesus quoting from the New Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been written during the time Jesus walked on Earth.

Edited by Reepicheep - 19 September 2011 at 8:17am

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Reepicheep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 November 2006 Status: Offline Points: 324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Reepicheep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 September 2011 at 7:09am
	truthnowcome wrote: where thay got the word �Gospel� from and why they used it As I understand it: the Greek word used in the biblical manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as "good news". The first translation of εὐαγγέλιον into English (around a thousand years ago) was "god spell" ("good news" in Old English). Over the centuries, this was shortened to godspell and then gospel. Also over time, the definition of the word "gospel" was not limited to mean "the message of Jesus" but also came to refer to the first four books of the New Testament, where the message of Jesus was given. So, then, a sentence like the following: The Gospel of Mark contains the gospel. would be grammatically correct, but probably confusing to most people. ******************************************** truthnowcome wrote: why the Christian�s scholars translate the word as �Gospel� instead of �Good News� because if we say Jesus preaches the �Good News� it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the �Gospel�. A "healthy" language like English is kind of like a living creature, in that the language is constantly evolving over time. This often causes problems when the meaning of words change over time. A good example is the phrase "Holy Ghost" from the King James translation of the bible. The word "ghost" now has meanings different from 500 years ago, so as a result the phrase "Holy Spirit" has now come to be used. Another example is the word "gay" which nowadays has a connotation much different than fifty years ago. The same applies to the word "gospel". The tendancy nowadays is to translate the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον as "good news" rather than "gospel", probably because of the confusion you make reference to. If you check out the following link: http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm you will see many examples of "good news". The NIV (New International Version) is probably the most widely used recent translation of the bible, and it uses the phrase "good news". ******************************* truthnowcome wrote: can you tell me what the �Bible� is? The bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. The books of the OT were written prior to the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, while the books of the NT were written after these events. ******************************** truthnowcome wrote: nowhere in Jesus� message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible** On the contrary: there are many hundreds of places in the New Testament where Jesus and others either quote from or refer to the Old Testament. I'll give you one example which is directly relevent to our current discussion: He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: �The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news* to the poor..."* Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, �Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.� Luke 4:16-20 An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2. So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures. There are, of course, no examples in the bible of Jesus quoting from the New Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been written during the time Jesus walked on Earth. Edited by Reepicheep - 19 September 2011 at 8:17am

truthnowcome Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 05 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1045	Post Options Post Reply Quote truthnowcome Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 September 2011 at 8:51am
	Peace to all! Thanks you reepicheep for you response! I was looking forward for br. Jack to respond to this post because he claimed to know or I should say he potraying to know the history of the message of Jesus (S). However, I am still looking forward for a response from him. As for your answer it is fairly good. What I don�t understand is why the Christian�s scholars translate the word as �Gospel� instead of �Good News� because if we say Jesus preaches the �Good News� it would send a clear message instead of saying Jesus preaching the �Gospel�. What�s your opinion on that? And where thay got the word �Gospel� from and why they used it, do you have any idea? On the side note, can you tell me what the �Bible� is? I ask that question because nowhere in Jesus� message it mentioned Jesus preaches the bible; and br. Jack and other Christians is forcing this bible on people whithout explaining where the word �bible� came from and what it mean so we can have a comprehensive understanding of what they teaching the people to believe (If it�s Jesus� (s) message which is the Good News or some one else message add to it.). Peace! Br. zainool
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Reepicheep Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 06 November 2006 Status: Offline Points: 324	Post Options Post Reply Quote Reepicheep Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 September 2011 at 7:33pm
	The word "gospel" (εὐαγγέλιον in Greek) can be replaced by the term "good news", so an alternative translation of Mark 16:15 into English would be: *"preach the good news to every creature".* In this particular case, "good news" is referring to the teachings of Jesus. If we rephrase this verse into colloquial English, Jesus is telling his disciples: *"tell all people about my teachings".* Edited by Reepicheep - 11 September 2011 at 7:49pm

honeto Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Islam Joined: 20 March 2008 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2487	Post Options Post Reply Quote honeto Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 September 2011 at 1:59pm
	Salam Br. Zainool, that is a very good question, if I remember someone here on the forum has said Jesus did not have a Gospel, did he? I would like to see that person or any Christian friend to respond to either question. Hasan
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truthnowcome Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 05 April 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1045	Post Options Post Reply Quote truthnowcome Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 September 2011 at 11:11pm
	Salaam to all! Is good to be here again! There were some unfinished discussion I have yet to discuss with my Christian�s friends. Because of the counting down of the fulfillment of revelation 18 soon I decide to comeback. My question for Christians is�I've heard so much of Holy Gospel, Gospel, Jesus preaching the Gospel, the disciples preaching the Gospel, Paul preaching the Gostspell, what is this Gospel they were preaching? And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mark 16:15 Br. Zainool Edited by truthnowcome - 08 September 2011 at 11:16pm
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