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This is what mentioned in the
Qur�an: � �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of
judgment between right and wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1) A book, whereof the verses
are explained in detail-A Qur�an in
Arabic, for people who understand-Giving Good News and admonition: yet most of them turn
away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4) �it is no less than a Message for all
creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104) � Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy
Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102) � � �This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah. on the
contrary it is a confirmation of
(revelations) that went before it,
and a fuller
explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the
Lord of the worlds.� (Qur.10:37) � � Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books (Torah, Gospel) of
former people. (Q.26:196) � And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing blessing and
conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92) � �so fear Allah and obey me. (Q.3:50) � ye who believe! Fear Allah as He
should fear, and die not except in a state of Islam. (Q.3:102) � And glorify Him morning and evening. (Q.33:42) � Thus have We revealed it (the Qur�an) to be a judgment
of authority in Arabic
(Q.13:37) What Revelation 14-7 says? �
�Fear God and Give Glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is
come!� Allah (S) said: �A book, whereof the verses are explained
in detail-A Qur�an in Arabic, for people who
understand-Giving Good News and
admonition: yet most of them turn away, and so they hear not. (Q.41:3-4) Our Job is to belivered the message, guidance only come from Allah(S). TNC |
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I have
established: In Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: Luke 1 Lu
1:19 The angel answered and said to
him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in
the presenceof God, and I have been sent to speak to
you and to bring you this good news. The
word used here to announce the birth of Jesus (S). Link of whole
chapter: Luke
2 Lu
2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good newsof great joy which will be for all the people; Here
Jesus (S) used it to announce the coming of God�s Kingdom. And Jesus went about (5707) all Galilee, teaching (5723) in their synagogues, and preaching (5723) the gospel of the kingdom, and healing (5723) all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And
Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every
sickness and every disease among the people. Now
after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Here to toll them to �repent� first and then believe his Gospel (Good News); and what was the Good News? The coming of the kingdom of God! And
saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. I have also established the same word �εὐαγγέλιον� mentioned in revelation 14. This time it was an angel again, the angel was bringing The Good News from heaven, and it was an everlasting one; it was describe as a �Judgment�to �preach�all nation.That Judgment was the criterion between right and wrong. �
�And I
saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE
EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation,
and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud voice, Fear God, and
give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.� (Rev.14:6-7) Just to conform that �judgment�is the law it mentioned there and is a
universal one: � �Behold my
servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put
my Spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment
to the Gentile.� (Iasiah.42:1) � 4- He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till
he has set judgment in the earth:
and the isles shall wait for His LAW.
(Isaiah.42:4) � �And when he (the Comforter) is come, he will
reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.� (John.16:8) Not Jesus (S) message is false; it is the doctrin which Christians is following. If they follow the message it would have lead them to the Quran. Edited by truthnowcome - 24 September 2011 at 1:11pm |
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Reepicheep, I am sorry if my post
is too long. I did that because I want to establish that people who claimed to
fallow Jesus (S) message are not really following it they were misguided
because of the usage of the Greek word �εὐαγγέλιον� as �Gospel� instead of the literal meaning �Good News�. If itwas
translate correctly they would have understand that the coming of God�s kingdom
is really another message which is a universal one. The
core message of Jesus (S) was to inform the people of the coming of God�s
kingdom on earth. I
have estsblished how the word supposed to be used, and that is the announcement
of sometings that is highly important. It was
used for Jesus message also, the same purpose to announce the coming
of God�s kingdom on earth, so
when he mentioned: ��Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel every creature. (Mark 16:15)� He was telling his disciples to go and inform the world
of the Good News which is
the coming of Gods�s kingdom, a universal message that is yet
to come; and not to go into the world and preach the �bible� (a collection of
books)! That is the
reason he had put so mush of emphasis on teaching the people of the kingdom of
God, he even make it a part of his prayer and teaches his disciples to do so
also. (After this
manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.10Thy
kingdom come, Thy
will be done in earth, as it is in
heaven.�) (Matthew 6:9 ) |
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Truthnowcome, please avoid posting your long, irrelevant cut and pastes. They serve no purpose that I can see.
I'm really not sure what you are tryng to say, but it seems to be something like the following:
Is my understanding of your argument correct?
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Jesus (S) teaches the coming of the Kingdom
of God in parables but not all who received the true message of Jesus (S) will
believe. In Matthew 13: 3-9 he describes himself as the �sower� who went forth and teaches the Good News of the coming of
the Kingdom of God. Matthew13:3-9 �
3And he spake many things
unto them in parables, saying, Behold,
a sower went forth to sow; �
4And when he sowed, some
seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: �
5Some fell upon stony
places, where they
had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness
of earth: �
6And when the sun was up,
they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. �
7And some fell among
thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: �
8But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some
sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. �
9Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Jesus (S) explained the
parable of the sower who preaches the coming of the �word of the Kingdom (coming of the universal message the Quran)� Matthew13:18-23
�
18Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. �
19When any one heareth
the word of the kingdom, and
understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that
which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. What is the �word� of the Kingdom? The �word� of the Kingdom is
the �Gospel (Good News)� of Jesus (S) informing us of the coming of the Kingdom
of God. � Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel (Good News) of the
kingdom of God, (Mark 1:14). Not everyone who claimed to
believe him will follow his true message, He said: �
20But he that received the
seed onto stony places, the
same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
�
21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or
persecution ariseth because of the word,
by and by he is offended. �
22He also that received seed
among the thorns is he that heareth
the word; and the care of this
world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. �
23But he that received
seed into the good ground is he
that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which
also beareth fruit, and
bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. � Jesus said: ��by the fruit ye shall knew them.� (Matt.7:20) � Jesus said unto them (Jews), Did ye never read in the
scriptures, the stone which the builders reject the same is become the head of
the corner: This is the Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42) � And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall broken: but whomsoever it
shall fall, it will grind him to powder. (Matt.21:44) � Therefore say I unto you The
kingdom of God shall taken from you (The Jews), and given
to a nation bringing forth the fruits
thereof. Matt.21:43
I'm
surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all
people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that
Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our
behalf. God
so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes
in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16 Are you still surprise? I guess you are
more surprised now to know what you were program to believe the Good News is it
is not! TNC Edited by truthnowcome - 23 September 2011 at 7:53am |
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I don't understand what you mean by the
above, but whatever you mean, it is certainly off topic to our current
discussion. If you wish to discuss the Holy Spirit, then I suggest you start a
new thread. Peace! Reepicheep, you give example of how the meaning
of word evolves in the bible so I made a little correction. If meanings change
most likely we will have wrong understang of the message to that of the
original intended by the Messengers of the pass, and the word �Gospel� is a
good example. For example, if you ask a non Christian if you believe in the
Gospel right away he will concieve in his mind that you are talking about the
collection of books that put together by Christian�s Scholars and lable as the
Holy Bible; but if you examine the usage of the word in the four books it lead
you to a different understanding.
truthnowcome wrote:
The Bible is the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and
Christianity. True. but again irrelevent to our current
discussion. It is
relevent to this discussion that is why I mentioned it on a side note because
the word �Gospel� has a different meaning from the word �Holy Bible� but Christians
used both of the words to propogate the collections of books where as the word
�Gospel doesn�t mean that.
I'm
surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all
people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that
Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our
behalf. God
so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes
in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16
Don't be surprised! Let us see if what you said is the truth. First let us look at the usage of the word �Gospel�. Here in Luke the word used to anounced the birth of John (S): Link of whole chapter: Luke 1 Lu
1:19 The angel answered and said to him, "I am Gabriel, who stands in the presenceof God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news. The word used here to announced the birth of
Jesus (S). Link of whole chapter: Luke
2 Lu
2:10 But the angel said to them,
"Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good newsof great joy which will be
for all the people; As you can see the word �Good News� is used
to make spicial anouncement of importance. Now, let us see how Jesus (S) used
it. It
mentioned in Luke
20:1 � [Original Greek] And
it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the
temple, and preached
the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the
elders, Mt
11:5 - The
blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the
deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. As you see here, not the angel is announcing the Good News but it was Jesus(S). What was that Good News of so importance? Let us see what the writhings says. And Jesus went about (5707) all Galilee, teaching (5723) in their synagogues, and preaching (5723) the gospel of the kingdom, and healing (5723) all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And
Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and
preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every
sickness and every disease among the people. Now
after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Reepicheep, as you can see the Good News
that Jesus (S) was preaching was about coming of the kingdom of God and not your
sugested opinions although he instructed the people to follow the commandments which
he also obeyed, he instructed them to �repent� for their sins so that they can receive
forgivness form God Almight and alsobelieve in the Good News of the coming of God�d
Kingdom on earth. And
saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. And it came to pass (5633) afterward *, that he went (5707) throughout everycity and village, preaching (5723) and shewing the glad tidings (5734) of thekingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, He (S)
thought his followers how to pray and what to pray for: � After this manner therefore pray ye:
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed
be thy name. �Hallowed be thy name� 10Thy
kingdom come, Thy will be done in
earth, as it is in heaven.� (Matthew 6:9 ) Coming of God Almighty kingdom on
earth �His� will� shall be done on earth! What is the will? God�s will is his
divine law. It is narrated that Jesus (S) said: �Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will
of my Father which is in heaven.� Matthew 7:21-22 � 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in
earth, as it is in heaven. � Know ye not that
the unrighteous shall not �inherit� the kingdom
of God? Be not deceived:
neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with
mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
nor extortioners, shall �inherit� the kingdom of God. (1Co 6:9-10) He tells us
how the Kingdom of God will come in Matthew6:31-32: � �Another parable put
he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is
grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come
and lodge in the branches thereof.� That is the
coming of God�s Kingdom on earth; it is a message to come then God�s Law (his will)
shall establish on earth. (10Thy kingdom come, Thy
will be done in earth, as it is in
heaven.�)(Matthew 6:9) Meaning, the message will be a universal one. Revelation
14 conforms that: � �And
I saw another angel fly in the midst of haven, having the everlasting gospel (THE
EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people. Saying with aloud
voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.� (Rev.14:6-7) This
is the future tense; it was an �angel�
coming from heaven with the everlasting Good News for all nations. The
Judgment there is the Law (His will) to preach unto them that dwell on earth
all nation. � Again, the kingdom of heaven
is like unto treasure hid
in a field; the which when a man
hath found, he hideth, and for
joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field (Matthew 13:44) � � And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto
them in parables? 11He answered and
said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the
kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12For whosoever hath, to him shall be
given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall
be taken away even that he hath. 13Therefore speak I
to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear
not, neither do they understand. (Matthew6:10-13) The message of the Good News
speaks for itself! TNC Edited by truthnowcome - 23 September 2011 at 7:44am |
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truthnowcome wrote: You see my friend, you were misinformed; there were no such word as �Ghost� in the Hebrew language; it was Spirit. In Greek pneuma is for spirit and in Hebrew Ruah is for Spirit and in Arabic Rooh is for Spirit.
I don't understand what you mean by the above, but whatever you mean, it is certainly off topic to our current discussion. If you wish to discuss the Holy Spirit, then I suggest you start a new thread.
truthnowcome wrote: The Bible is the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism and Christianity.
True. but again irrelevent to our current discussion.
truthnowcome wrote: Can you explain to me what this good news was about which Jesus was preaching?
I'm surprised that you don't already know this, but briefly: Jesus taught that all people are sinners, that the penalty for sin is eternal damnation, but that Jesus (through his death and resurrection) paid the price for sin on our behalf.
God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him won't perish but will have eternal life. John 3:16
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As I understand it: the Greek word used in the biblical
manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον which can be literally translated into English as
"good news". The first translation of εὐαγγέλιον into English (around
a thousand years ago) was "god spell" ("good news" in Old
English). Over the centuries, this was shortened to godspell and then gospel. Also over time, the
definition of the word "gospel" was not limited to mean "the
message of Jesus" but also came to refer to the first four books of the
New Testament, where the message of Jesus was given. So, then, a
sentence like the following: The Gospel of Mark contains the gospel. would be grammatically correct, but probably confusing to
most people. ********************************************** Peace my friend! So the
correct translation would be �Good News� according to you, you said: �the greek word in the bible manuscripts is εὐαγγέλιον
which can be literally translated into English as �good news��. And
also that is refferring to the �first four books of the New testament�
according to you. Can you explain to me what this good
news was about which Jesus (S) was preaching?
A "healthy" language like English is kind of
like a living creature, in that the language is constantly evolving over time.
This often causes problems when the meaning of words change over time. A good
example is the phrase "Holy Ghost" from the King James translation of
the bible. The word "ghost" now has meanings different from 500 years
ago, so as a result the phrase "Holy Spirit" has now come to be used.
Another example is the word "gay" which nowadays has a connotation
much different than fifty years ago. The same applies to the word "gospel". The
tendancy nowadays is to translate the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον as "good
news" rather than "gospel", probably because of the confusion
you make reference to. If you check out the following link: http://bible.cc/mark/16-15.htm you will see many examples of "good news". The
NIV (New International Version) is probably the most widely used recent translation
of the bible, and it uses the phrase "good news". *********************************** This is
very intresting! �the �meaning� of
the word change (evolved) overtime!!!!!� You see my
friend, you were misinformed; there were no such word as �Ghost� in the Hebrew
language; it was Spirit. In Greek pneuma is for spirit and in Hebrew Ruah is for Spirit and in Arabic Rooh
is for Spirit. The word �Gost�
evolve it way into the writhings of Jesus (S) message. Al the Prophers of the
pass spoke of the �God Spirit, My Spirit and Holy Spirit� and not �God Gost and
holy Gost�!
The
bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament. The books of the OT
were written prior to the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus, while the
books of the NT were written after these events. ************************************ truthnowcome wrote: nowhere in Jesus� message it mentioned Jesus preaches
the bible On
the contrary: there are many hundreds of places in the New Testament where
Jesus and others either quote from or refer to the Old Testament. I'll give you
one example which is directly relevent to our current discussion: He
went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went
into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of
the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it
is written: �The Spirit of the
Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor..." Then
he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes
of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to
them, �Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.� Luke 4:16-20 An
examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah
61:1-2. So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good
news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in
the scriptures. There
are, of course, no examples in the bible of Jesus quoting from the New
Testament, since the New Testament had not yet been written during the time
Jesus walked on Earth.
Reepicheep, I was just looking for this answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible The Bible (from Greek τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the
books") is the collections of the primary religious texts of Judaism andChristianity. There
is no common version of the Bible, as the individual books (Biblical canon), their contents and their order vary among
denominations. Mainstream Judaism divides the Tanakh into 24
books, while a minority stream of Judaism, the Samaritans, accepts only five. The 24 texts of the Hebrew Bible are divided into 39 books in Christian Old Testaments, and complete Christian Bibles range
from the 66 books of the Protestant canon to
the 81 books in theEthiopian
Orthodox Bible,[1] to the 84 books of the Eastern Orthodox Bible. -------------------- So when Christians
ask if you believe in the bible, what they are treally asking is if you believe
in the collection of books put together by Christians� scholars; instead of ask
if you believe in the Good News what Jesus (S) preached. Peace! Br zainool |
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