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Reepicheep
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honeto wrote: if there is anything like "Gospel by Jesus" what he use to teach and preach as mentioned in the NT.
I can think of two ways to interpret your question, so I'll give two answers.
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If you are asking, "are there any documents which were written by Jesus", then the answer is no. There are no documents in existance today which can be reliably said to have been written by Jesus.
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If you are asking "did Jesus quote from any existing documents when he taught", then the answer is yes. There are places in the New Testament where Jesus taught lessons from the Old Testament. To repeat an example I gave earlier in this thread:
An examination of the OT Book of Isaiah reveals that Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:1-2. So, not only do we have Jesus telling us that he is preaching the good news, he quotes from the Old Testament to show that his coming was predicted in the scriptures
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Hi,
I don't have problem Gospel (Injeel) meaning good news, the Quran means "recital". What I was particularly interested in knowing if there is anything like "Gospel by Jesus" what he use to teach and preach as mentioned in the NT. Hasan |
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The friends of God will certainly have nothing to fear, nor will they be grieved. Al Quran 10:62
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truthnowcome wrote: It seems to me Mr. Jack and Reepicheep agree with all that I have explained here.
Well, I can't speak for Jack, but I certainly don't agree with what you wrote.
Let's go back and review your initial premise which lead to all your bizarre rants and cut and pastes:
Only the most simple minded of fools would accept your claim as being true. Since everything you wrote is based upon the above premise, all the stuff you subsequently wrote is clearly nonsense. So, I feel no need to reply to your posts.
A house built upon sand cannot stand (Matthew chapter 7). Likewise, an argument built upon false axioms is nothing but lies and nonsense. But, please don't let me stop you. If you feel compelled to continue your rant, then go ahead. But don't be under the delusion that you are revealing some "great truth" through your posts. Edited by Reepicheep - 03 October 2011 at 5:31am |
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JESUS (S) TELLS US WHO CHRISTIANS IS REALLY
FOLLOWING It is mentioned in Matthew24 � �And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take
heed that no man deceive you. 5For
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many�. Matthew24:4-5 Did Muhammad (S) come in Jesus
(S) name and say I am Christ? No! Did the Angel that spoke to Muhammad (S)
claim that he is Jesus (S)? No! Let us look at Paul encounter: �
1And Saul, yet breathing out
threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the
high priest, �
2And desired of him letters
to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they
were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. �
3And as he journeyed, he
came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: �
4And he fell to the earth,
and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? �
5And he said, Who art thou,
Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus
whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. What Jesus (S) said? He said: � �For
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.� Matthew24:5 Note: Paul never met Jesus (S) and he said: �he saw a light� and �heard a voice� and the voice claimed
that: �he is Jesus� What is most striking is the divine word the voice mentioned: �
�it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.� Acts 9:1-8 KJV. Is that a word from God or the Devil? THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND THE DEVIL�S INFILTRATION Jesus (S)
explained the Devil will also have a message here to deceive the world in his
name: � �5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive
many.� Matthew24:5 Matthew13:24-30
Jesus (S) said: �
24 �Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven
is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:� The �seed� is the �Everlasting Good news� and the �man� it that �male child� who was to rule all people and nations. �
25But
while men slept, his enemy came and sowed
tares among the wheat, and went his way. �
26 �But when the blade was sprung up, and brought
forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. �
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst
not thou sow good seed in thy field?
from whence then hath it tares? �
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said
unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? �
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. �
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to
the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in
bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew13:36-44 �
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his
disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. �
37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; What
is the good seed that Jesus (S) sowed? It is the message of the coming of the Kingdom of God (Islam)! �
38 The field
is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of
the wicked one; �
39The enemy that
sowed them is the devil; the harvest
is the end of the world; and the reapers
are the angels. That happens when Paul had the visit which he claimed that it was Jesus
(S) whom he never met nor saw before: � �And he (Paul) said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said,
I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it
is hard for thee to kick against the pricks�And he trembling and
astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said
unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou
must do. Acts 9:1-8 What
Jesus said? � For
many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Matthew24:5. The
Devil has sowed tares (falsehood) among the wheat (truth) Then that falsehood later established a foundation at the counsel of
Nicaea Council 325 A.D. the new form of Christianity: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/bible/NicaeaCouncil325.htm Then After the Romans were defeated by the Muslims in 638, the new form
of Christianity under Pope Gregory
the Great (590-604), he converted the Anglo-Saxon invaders of
Great Britain to his new form of Christianity (Pagan Christianity) which later
known as the Crusaders [the seventh
king (Empire)] then evolve in the west as
the eight king (Modern day Pagan�s Empire) and he will go into eternal
damnation: �And the beast that was, and
is not, even he is the eight, and of the seven, and goeth into perdition�
(Rev.17:11).
It
was Great Britain and the west the Devil used to sow his tares (children of the
wicked one) universally against the children of the Kingdom of God (Those who
followed God�s universal message). � 40As
therefore the tares are gathered
and burned in the fire; so shall it
be in the end of this world. � 44Again,
the kingdom of heaven is like
unto treasure hid in a
field; the which when a man hath
found, he hideth, and for joy
thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. �Treasure� is Knowledge of the �everlasting Good News� and �field� is
the �world�. Matthew13:45-52 �
45Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: �
46Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold
all that he had, and bought
it. �
47Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: �
48Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered
the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. �
49So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the
wicked from among the just, �
50And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of
teeth. �
51Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say
unto him, Yea, Lord. � 52THEN
SAID HE UNTO THEM, THEREFORE EVERY
SCRIBE WHICH IS INSTRUCTED UNTO
THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS LIKE
UNTO A MAN THAT IS AN HOUSEHOLDER, WHICH BRINGETH FORTH OUT
OF HIS TREASURE THINGS NEW AND OLD. �HIS TREASURE (KNOWLEDGE)� USING THE OLD MESSAGE (O.T. AND N.T.) TO MAKE CLEAR THE NEW MESSAGE (EVERLASTING GOOD NEWS) THE QUR�AN! � BEHOLD, THE FORMER THINGS ARE COME TO PASS, AND NEW THINGS DO I DECLARE:
BEFORE THEY SPRING FORTH I TELL YOU. (ISAIAH.42:9) � And he said, Unto you it is given to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of
God: but to others in parables;
that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Luke 8:10 � And the gospel (Good News of the
Kingdom of God) must
first be published among all nations. Mark 13:10 � For
whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose
his life for my sake and the gospel's
(Good News of the Kingdom of God), the
same shall save it. Mark 8:35 � And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (Good News of the Kingdom of God) to every creature. Mark 16:15 (the coming of the everlasting Good News: The Qur�an) Edited by truthnowcome - 02 October 2011 at 11:12pm |
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Peace to all! It seems to me Mr. Jack and Reepicheep agree with all that I have explained here. I thought they would try to refute me. I'll add the marvel and wonder for them.
� And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and
from the south, and
shall sit down in the kingdom of
God. Lu 13:29
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Can a man who don�t know to read and write move such a masses; create such a large
congregation comprises of all nations and tribes from the King to the beggar
standing side by side speaking different languages with no confusion? Jesus (S)
prophesy that in Matthew 21:42-44.
Muhammad (S) didn�t know to read and write:
� And thou (O Muhammad) was not (able) to
recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it
with thy right hand: in that case indeed, would the talkers of vanity have
doubted. (Q.29:48)
� Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) desire.
It is no less than inspiration sent down to him. He was taught by one mighty
in power. (Q.53:3-5)
� �Therefore
say I unto you the kingdom of God
shall taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt.21:43). This is the Lord�s doings,
and it is marvelous in our eyes. (Matt.21:42) TRUTHNOWCOME |
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Let me sumarise is for you with some comments and quotes Reepecheep.
When Jesus said, ��Go ye into all
the world, and preach the gospel
every creature. (Mark 16:15)�. He was
instructing his desciples to go and inform the world of the coming of Kingdon
of God which is the universal message for all mankind and Jinn (spirit being),
and that message was brought by an angel (Rev.14:6-7) and given to a man child (Rev.12:5-10)
from another nation: � Jesus said unto them, Did ye never read
in the scriptures, the stone which
the builders reject the same is become the head of the corner: This is the
Lord�s doings, and it is marvelous in
our eyes. (Matt.21:42) Who rejected Jesus
(S)? The Jews! And what will be marvelous in our eyes? It is THE KINGDOM OF
GOD, THE FINAL MESSAGE; and the message will bear fruit and be marvelous in
our eyes under another nation. He said: � �Therefore say I unto you the kingdom of God shall taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt.21:43). The Kingdom of God is the final message
(revelation) that yet to come after the demise of Jesus (S) and it would be
taken away from the Jews according to Jesus (S) and it would be given to
another prophet of another nation. That
nation is no other than the Ishmaelite, Abraham�s (S) seeds. The God of Abraham
promise to bless his son Ishmael and make him a Great nation: �
And as for Ishmael�Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful,
and multiply him exceedingly�and I
will make a GREAT NATION Genesis 17:20 ) This
prophesies fulfilled with the arrival of Muhammad (S) who is a descendant of
Abraham (S) true his son Ishmael (S). It is not evident that Muhammad (S)
message bear fruit and creates a congregation that is marvelous in our eyes?
Sure! Look at Mecca! Reepicheep,
if you are a true follower of the Messiah (S) then he instructed you as
followes: ��Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel (The
Good News of God�s Kingdom on earth) to every creature.� Because he said: �
�And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in
all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.� Matt. 24:14 Think about how important the Kingdom of God
was, the Pharisese demanded (ask him) when the Kingdom of God shall come? Jesus
explained when he was question: � �And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
the kingdom of God should come,
he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:� ( Lu 17:20) He tells us how the Kingdom of God
will come in Matthew6:31-32: � �Another
parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a
grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32Which indeed is the least
of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is
the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so
that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.� A grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his
field: The �seed� is the �Everlasting Good
news� that mentioned in Rev.14:6-7. It was brought from Heaven by an angel to preach to all
mankind. The �man� it that �male child� who was to rule
all people and nations: �
And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron�, Rev.12:5). And he brought
�Salvation and the Kingdom of God�: �
�Now comes Salvation and strength, and the kingdom
of our God, and power of his Christ�, Rev.12:10)
�
Jesus (S) said: �Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
there! for, behold, the kingdom
of God is within you.� ( Lu 17:21)
If the Kingdom of God is within you that would mean, when you hear the message you believe and accepted it with
your whole heart! It will be delivered to your heart, it will be withen you,
you have to memorise it, store it in you. Coming of the Kingdom of God [the seed
(message)] to Muhammad (S): �
Allah (S) said: �Verily
this is a revelation from the Lord of the world: With it came down the
spirit of faith and truth (Rooh-ul-Amin).To thy heart.� (Q.26:192-194) This is what Allah (S) instructed
the Prophet to say: � �Say, the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) has brought the revelation from thy
Lord in truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a guide, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. (Q.16:102) � �Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and
wrong) to His Servant, that it may be an admonition to all creatures.� (Q.25:1) � Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to
mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and Judgment (Between right and wrong). (Qur�an 2:185 ) �
Without doubt it is (announced) in the reveled books
(Torah, Gospel) of former people. (Q.26:196) �
And this is a book which We have sent down, bringing
blessing and conforming (the revelation) which came before it. (Q.6:92) �
�it is no less than a
Message for all creatures (mankind and jinn). (Q.12:104) �
�so fear Allah and
obey me. (Q.3:50) �
ye People of the Book! Believe in what We have (now)
revealed, conforming what was (already) with you� (Q.4:47) �
None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be
forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: knowest thou not
Allah hath power over all things? (Q.2:106) From those, too, who called themselves Christians We did take a Covenant, But
they forgot a good part of the
message that was sent down: So We stirred
up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of
Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (Q.5:14) �Truth has (now) come, and falsehood perished: for
falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish. (Q.17:81) TRUTHNOWCOME |
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Now, let us look at the �man child� who he is. Is
this man child really Jesus (S) as was claimed by the Christian�s commentators?
Or is he the universal prophet that mentioned in the Qur�an? In Revelation 12: 3 to 5
mentioned: � �And
there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horn, and seven
crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars
of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the
woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it
was born 5And she brought
forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her
child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. (Rev.12:3-5) As I have established before the
�woman� represents the �church�. That would mean this man child was to come and
establish the church universally to all nations and the Devil will tried
to kill him but would failed in the attempt and he (the man child) will caught
up unto God. �
Now,
first point: If Rev.12 was about Jesus
(S) present time in the past where Jesus (S) was ascended to Heaven then
that does not add up because Rev.12:5 mentioned: � �And she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron...�
Jesus (S) didn�t fulfill that, he did
not even rule the Jews! �
Second
point: If this man child is Jesus (S) and Christians believe he is God then it
doesn�t add up knowing they believe he died in flesh, they believe he is man
(flesh) and God (spirit). How did he caught up unto God? Which part went up the
man or God? The verse mentioned: � �MAN CHILD� and HER CHILD was caught up unto
God�. It
didn�t say God (the spirit) caught up unto God the Father! Simple question will
suffice for asking Christians, is Jesus (S) went up in Heaven as a man or God?
If he went up as a man then he is not God and if he went up as God as they
believe then he did not fulfilled that prophesy. �
Third
point: The book of Revelation is a
vision of prophesy of future things to come: � The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things which must shortly
come to pass��Rev.1:1) So
Rev. 12 is not about Jesus (S)! The reason for that is because it is a prophesy of future things
Jesus (S) was already in Heaven after the crucifixion according to Christians
believe. �
Forth
point: If in his second coming he will ascend to God�s Throne why come when he
is already on the throne? Also In his second coming when he would have ascended
to God�s Throne would the Jewish�s nation fled into the wilderness or they
would be his sheep and he would be their King? It doesn�t add up. Why the woman
(the Jewish�s nation as some Christian�s commentators claimed) fled in to the
wilderness for a thousand two hundred
and threescore days when all nee suppose to bow in his second coming? � And the woman fled into the
wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days. Rev.12:6 In his second coming according to Revelation 19 he will not caught up unto God and the Jewish
nation will not fled into the wilderness. His second coming according to
revelation 19:11, 19-21 he will come
with his army to expose all false religion, destroy the Devil (Beast) and
his army and cast them into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:11 mentioned, �he
will wage war in righteousness� Is there any such thing as righteous war or
holy war? Is that Jehad against the devil? � �And I saw heaven open, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true. And in righteousness he doth judge and make war. (Rev.19:11). � �And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies,
gathered together to make war against him
that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20And the beast was taken, and
with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he
deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped
his image. These both were cast alive into a lake
of fire burning with brimstone.� Rev.19:19-21 On the other hand Revelation 12: 3-5
mentioned: � �And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great
red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads the dragon stood before the woman
which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born 5And
she brought forth man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne�. So
that man child is not a prophesied of Jesus (S). So we see clearly that Jesus (S)
did not fulfilled revelation 12. The Man child who was to rule all nations, he
is the universal Prophet who brought the universal book which mentioned in
Rev.10 and 14:6-7 which I will be explaining later on. He brought the universal
book, and he died and caught up unto God and to his throne. He is not Jesus (S)
as the Christian�s Scholars had claimed. As
you can see Christians do not follow the Gospel (Good News) of Jesus (S) but
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Reepicheep,
I have keeping abrest of your visiting of this forum and you didnt reply. I am
still awaiting a responce. I the mean time I will post a follow up, Inshallah! I
have established that Jesus (s) preaches the Good News of the comming of God
Kingdom which is a message. Now I will establish who will bring this message to
establish God�s kingdom on earth. If
you go to revelation 12 it mentioned of a man child who will bring the kingdom
of God which is
the universal message which is the Judgment between right and wrond to all
nations. This
article is long for the purpos of all thouse who seek the truth. The book of Revelation Chapter12
it deals with the coming of a �man child� who will rule all nations
with a rod of iron and at his arrival then �Salvation and the Kingdom of God
will come (And she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron�Now comes Salvation and
strength, and the kingdom of our God�
12:5-10.) This would be after the demise of Jesus (S). What makes it so interesting
is Allah (S) mentioned that He had sent Muhammad (S) as a universal Messenger: � �We have not sent thee but as a universal
Messenger to all mankind�but most of mankind know not.� (Qur.34:28). However, Christian�s commentator claimed
that this is a prophesy of Jesus (S). In verse 1, 2 and 5 it mentioned: � �1And
there appeared a great wonder in heaven; A
WOMAN clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head
a crown of twelve stars: 2And she
being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered�5And
she brought forth a MAN CHILD, who
was to rule all nations with a rod of
iron: and her child was caught up
unto God, and to his throne.
(Rev.12:1-5) First we have to find out who this woman is
or what she represents? According to some Christian�s Scholars the woman
represents the �church� and some says the woman represents the �Jewish�s nation�
and the man child is Jesus (S). If we look at Rev.12 verse 6 and14; and
Rev.11 verse 4 both tied into each other and it reflects the meaning of the
�WOMAN� as the Church. It mentioned: � And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a
thousand two hundred and threescore days. (Rev.12:6) � �And to the woman were
given two wings�that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place where she is nourished for a time, and time, and half a time, from the
face of the serpent. (Rev.12:14) � And I will give power unto my two
witnesses, And they shall prophesy a thousand two
hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. (Rev.11:3) � � These are the two olive trees, and the
two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(Rev.11:4) The evidence that the woman
represents the church is that the woman was given �two wings� and fled into the
wilderness for 1,260 days where the same period also reflect in Rev.11:4. Those
�two wings� are the two witnesses, the two olive trees and two candle stick;
and the Candlesticks represent churches: � ��the seven candlestick which
thou sawest are seven churches.�
Rev. 1:20 So, we can conclude that the �woman� represents the �Church� Also if we go to Revelation 19 and read verse
7-9 we would recognized that the woman represents the church. It mentioned: � �Let
us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she
should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white: for the fine linen is
the righteousness of the saint.� Rev.19:7-8 The saints that mentioned in Revelation 19:7-8 are the believers and they came
from �her and she� which is referring to the �church� when the church would have well established for the coming
of the Messiah. So we can see from that proof the �woman� represents the
�Church� and not the Jewish�s nation. Also, woman represents a �great city�: � �And the woman which thou
saws is that great city��
(Rev.17:18). Meaning the Church will be a Great
city. The reason why some Christian�s commentator says the woman represent the Jewish�s nation is because in many place in the Old Testament they (Jewish nation) were address as a woman; but that is because the �church� was with them. |
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