When is Torture Justified? |
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Ron Webb
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Perhaps, but I don't see how it could be any more plain. The Golden Rule says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If the situation were reversed, i.e. if they were holding you prisoner, would you have them torture you?
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abuayisha
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Yes, but my question was regarding ideologues such as Nazis, political terrorists and their likes. I fail to see how 'do unto others....' is applicable in that discussion. It hardly holds water with countries who are signatories to the Geneva Conventions.
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Ron Webb
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Why would it not be applicable?Let me emphasize, because so many people don't understand the Golden Rule: it's not ""do unto others as they do unto you", it's "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Their behaviour has nothing whatsoever to do with it. You do what you think is right, and the test for what is right is according to how you would react if the same thing were done to you.
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abuayisha
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Fair enough Ron, however I have found life to be pretty much nuanced and not so rigid. I think some situations call for an approach we certainly wouldn't want for ourselves, but its the right thing to do just the same. |
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Ron Webb
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Edited by Ron Webb - 04 August 2011 at 4:49pm |
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Hayfa
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I agree Ron.. how many times has there been torture to get info, and people just lie.. heck they get false confessions under all types of threats.
its a fine line between punishment and torture.. what is deemed cruel etc.. |
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abuayisha
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Well what I'm talking about is the "ticking bomb" scenario of possible harm to many; are we to concern ourselves with one individual at the expense of many innocents? What is worse, to be labeled a hypocrite or slaughter of people? This is not advocacy for a policy of torture, but concern over public safety.
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Ron Webb
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The "ticking bomb" is the danger to all of us when we legitimize torture. If we're using it ourselves, how much more likely do you think others would be to use it against us? How seriously do you think our governments will be taken if they protest on our behalf?
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