Forgiveness and Venegeance

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   First of all, I am really disappointed that I couldn't search the archives for the "forgiveness" topic (link to the archive no longer exists). I am curious about what exactly is the Islamic position on forgiveness and revenge. Just as asceticism and celibacy are considered unislamic, I consider tolerance to oppression a sin. Also, I am starting off the discussion by quoting 2 well-known hadith relevant to the subject. I hope others join in with their experiences and theories. 

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ZamanH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 448	Post Options Post Reply Quote ZamanH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Forgiveness and Venegeance Posted: 19 August 2005 at 5:07am
	First of all, I am really disappointed that I couldn't search the archives for the "forgiveness" topic (link to the archive no longer exists). I am curious about what exactly is the Islamic position on forgiveness and revenge. Just as asceticism and celibacy are considered unislamic, I consider tolerance to oppression a sin. Also, I am starting off the discussion by quoting 2 well-known hadith relevant to the subject. I hope others join in with their experiences and theories. Edited by ZamanH
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet

ZamanH Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 21 July 2004 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 448	Post Options Post Reply Quote ZamanH Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 19 August 2005 at 5:11am
	Captives of Badr About the fate of the captives of Badr, Abu Bakr and Umar held contrary views. Abu Bakr took the lenient view, while Umar took the sterner view. After taking into consideration both the views, the Holy Prophet said: "Almighty God softens the hearts of some people-softer than milk. And He hardens the hearts of some people-harder than stone." Turning to Abu Bakr who had counselled a lenient view, the Holy Prophet said: "Abu Bakr you are like Abraham who said, 'He who follows me is one of us, and he who disobeys me, then O God, You are gracious enough to forgive'. And Abu Bakr you are also like Jesus who said, 'If you punish them they are Your servants, and if You forgive them, You are All Powerful, Mighty and Wise." Turning to Umar, the Holy Prophet said: Umar, you are like Noah who said, 'O God, do not leave on the earth a single unbeliever.' And Umar you are also like Moses who said, 'O God destroy their properties and harden their hearts so that they are not converted till they have suffered punishment." The Holy Prophet accepted the advice of Abu Bakr and acted accordingly. The following day, Umar visited the Holy Prophet, and saw that both the Holy Prophet and Abu Bakr were weeping. Umar addressing the Holy Prophet said: "What is it that makes you weep. Tell me, so that if there is any matter to be grieved over, I may also weep with you." The Holy Prophet said: "Umar, there is nothing for you to be grieved over. On the other hand you should rejoice that God has upheld the view that you had taken about the captives of Badr, and admonished those who had taken a contrary view." Umar's curiosity was awakened and he wanted know what exactly was the revelation. The Holy Prophet recited the verses that had been revealed: "It is not fitting for an Apostle That he should have prisoners of war, Until he has thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look on the temporal goods of this world, But God looks to the Hereafter, And God is Exalted, Mighty, and Wise." (8:67)
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet

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	�Utaibah bin Abi Lahab once approached the Prophet and most defiantly and brazenly shouted at him, "I disbelieve in: "By the star when it goes down." [53:1] and in "Then he (Gabriel) approached and came closer." [53:8] In other words: "I do not believe in any of the Qur��n." He then started to deal highhandedly with Muhammad and laid violent hand on him, tore his shirt and spat into his face but his saliva missed the Holy face of the Prophet . Thereupon, the Prophet invoked All�h�s wrath on �Utaibah and supplicated: "O All�h! Set one of Your dogs on him." All�h responded positively to Muhammad�s supplication, and it happened in the following manner: Once �Utaibah with some of his compatriots from Quraish set out for Syria and took accommodation in Az-Zarqa�. There a lion approached the group to the great fear of �Utbah, who at once recalled Muhammad�s words in supplication, and said: "Woe to my brother! This lion will surely devour me just as Muhammad supplicated. He has really killed me in Syria while he is in Makkah." The lion did really rush like lightning, snatched �Utbah from amongst his people and crushed his head.
	An enemy of an enemy is a fickle friend. There will be more women in hell than men. ..for persecution is worse than the slaughter of the enemy..(Quran 2:191) Heaven lies under mother's feet