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want2know
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I've been a Muslim for almost 3 months and a sister bought me some prayer beads but didn't tell me how to use them How do I remember Allah With them??
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Chrysalis
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Salaam!
Well Sis, prayer beads are more of a cultural/symbolic thing. We have no evidence that Prophet Muhammad or his companions used prayer beads to make Dhikr. The concept of Prayer beads for some muslims is that when they are making Dhikr, they decide I am going to say "AllahuAkbar" or "SubhanAllah" 32 times. So they use the beads to keep count.... lest they forget. Here is a scholarly opinion on Prayer Beads: What is the ruling on using the masbahah (prayer beads)? Praise be to Allaah. Some scholars say that it is permissible to use the masbahah, but they say that it is preferable to do tasbeeh on one�s fingers; others say that it is bid�ah (reprehensible innovation). Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in al-Fataawa (22/187): �Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawaatir reports that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: �Count on your fingers, for they will asked, and will be made to speak.� Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh, and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.� Then he (may Allaah have mercy on him) goes on to discuss the issue of showing off with the masbahah, saying that it is showing off with regard to something that is not prescribed by Islam, which is worse than showing off with regard to something that is prescribed. Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-�Uthaymeen (al-Liqa� al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid�ah, and his reply was: �It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid�ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahaabah did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, �Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.� Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haraam or bid�ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, �Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!� Secondly, those who use the masbahah for tasbeeh are usually absent-minded and not focused, so you see them doing tasbeeh with the beads, but their gaze is wandering all over the place, which indicates that they are not really concentrating. It is better to do tasbeeh with one�s fingers, preferably using the right hand rather than the left, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to count his tasbeeh on his right hand. If a person counts his tasbeeh using both hands, there is nothing wrong with that, but it is better to use the right hand only.� Shaykh Muhammad Naasir al-Deen al-Albaani said in Al-Silsilat al-Da�eefah (1/110), where he quotes the (weak) hadeeth �What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],� �In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons: Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid�ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahaabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddaah in Al-Bid� wa�l-Nahy �anhaa from al-Salt ibn Bahraam, who said: �Ibn Mas�ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, �You think you are better than the Sahaabah, but you are following unjustified bid�ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)!�� Its isnaad is saheeh to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Taabi�een. Secondly, it goes against the guidance of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). �Abd-Allaah ibn �Amr said, �I saw the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) counting the tasbeeh on his right hand.�� He also said (1/117): �If there is only one bad thing about the masbahah, which it is that it takes the place of the Sunnah of counting on the fingers, even though all are agreed that counting on the fingers is preferable, then that is bad enough. How rarely I see people counting their tasbeeh on their fingers! Moreover, people have invented so many sophisticated ways of following this bid�ah, so you see the followers of one of the [Sufi] tareeqahs wearing the masbahah around their necks! Or some of them counting with the beads whilst talking or listening to you! Or another one � the like of whom I have not seen for some time � riding his bicycle through a street crowded with people, with the masbahah in one of his hands! They are showing the people that they are not distracted from the remembrance of Allaah for even an instant, but in many cases this bid�ah is a cause of their neglecting what is obligatory (waajib). It has happened many times � to others as well as myself � that when I greet one of these people with salaam, they answer only by waving and not by saying the words of the greeting. The bad results of this bid�ah are innumerable, and no one can say it better than the poet: �All goodness is in following that which went before (the salaf) All badness is in the innovations of those who came later.�� And Allaah knows best. Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid Edited by Chrysalis - 05 February 2011 at 11:43pm |
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naazz
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Asalamualaikum,
Sister Chrysalis,may Allah reward you for posting this.i myself could not understand how some ppl,i have seen some women with prayer beads in hand while they are talking,laughing,etc.and when asked they answer they are doing dhikr with their hearts and not tongue. Edited by naazz - 07 February 2011 at 11:24pm |
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Chrysalis
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Even to me something just doesn't 'feel right' about carrying prayer-beads around in public. Its almost like an announcement that you've been doing Dhikr. I've seen in the subcontinent that some 'religious' people will be talking and having conversations, all the while moving prayer-breads with their fingers. I find that so astounding... some 'scholars' whill also come on TV, be giving an interview and using prayer-beads at the same time. How can we be doing Dhikr and talking at the same time? . Thats not even physically possible! Btw Sis 'want-to-know' - you can still keep you beads as a cultural souvenir and hang them somewhere, they are still pretty to look at :) Edited by Chrysalis - 08 February 2011 at 8:40pm |
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Some scholars say that prayer beads are permissible. Others say that they are bid'aa. If there is difference among the scholars (ikhtilaaf) we have to accept the difference and understand that the difference is there. Only Allah knows the intentions of the ones who use prayer beads.
Furthermore, if one uses their fingers for dhikr, but their intention is to show off while making dhikr because they are not using prayer beads that they believe are innovation... this is just as bad as using prayer beads for showing off. ar riya is ar riya, regardless of what we are doing. And ar riyah is making a partner with Allah (shirk) by putting something else on the same level or even above Allah, in this case, wanting people to believe we are good Muslims because we use/don't use prayer beads. Also, just because something is bid'aa does not mean it is inherently haraam. Printing presses are bid'aa and were not used by the sahaba. This does not make printing presses haraam, yet we could argue that the printing press replaced the fingers and the qalam, so it is bid'aa when it comes to printing the Qur'an and the ahadith. The real danger here, besides ar riya, is possibly believing that something is fard when it is merely permissible, or believing that something is haraam when it is actually halal. The use of prayer beads is, according to some scholars, halal as long as one is not using them for ar riya and one also does not believe they are fard. So if a Muslim follows a scholar who says that prayer beads are permissible and uses prayer beads, that Muslim is doing correct. Also, a Muslim who follows a scholar who says prayer beads are bid'aa and prohibited and that Muslim refuses to use prayer beads, that Muslim is also doing correct. Let us remember that every legitimate point of ikhtilaaf in Islam is a mercy to the ummah, and not to use these points as a means of oppressing and dividing the ummah. Allah swt is not a human and He does not see things in the black/white right/wrong dichotomy that humans see them in. He is the Most Beneficient, the Most Merciful. |
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Hidden_Pearl
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Asalaamu aleikum_
The use of these beads, often called "subha", is not Sunnah, it's true- it's more of a cultural thing. That doesn't mean it's wrong to use them as an aid for making dhikr, although using your fingers is probably better. In places like Saudi Arabia it's almost part of manhood to carry these beads everywhere you go and constantly handle them- a bit like Greek "worry beads". That's probably why you see these "scholars" on tv doing the same. Like I said, it's a cultural custom. For making dhikr: there are 99 beads all total (like the 99 names of Allah SWT), so you can say "Allahu akhbar" 33 times, "Subhannallah" 33 times and "Alhamdulillah" 33 times each. |
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Chrysalis
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That's true Sister. Difference of opinion b/w legitimate schools of thought is a rahmah.... The safest way is to follow what the majority of scholars say.
When scholars talk about Bid'ah they refer to bid'ah in matters of religion. Many people who defend certain bid'aah use example of cars & technology. That is not the bid'aah our Prophet warned us against - the bid'aah we need to be careful about is in matters of religion. A scholar once said: "Everytime a Bid'aah is born... a Sunnah dies". If we take the example of prayer beads, when we are using prayer beads - we are actually foregoing a sunnah of the Prophet... and replacing a Sunnah with it. So printing presses is not a relevant example of Bid'aah. There is a difference b/w technological inventions of duniyah & inventions in matters of religion. "....The best speech is that embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. The most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is an error...." - Hadith - Muslim, Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah
Allah's Messenger
said,
Allah,
the Exalted and Glorious looks down on the middle night of Sha'ban and forgives
all His creation except a polytheist or one who is mushahin (innovator in
religion and out of the main stream of the
community). - Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib The Prophet said, If anyone introduces an innovation in the religion, he will be responsible for it. (Good or bad). If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in the religion) he is cursed by Allaah, by His angels and by all the people.
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seekshidayath
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As Salamu Alaikum wa rahmatullah
Good discussion sisters. By the way, sis - wanttoknow is new to Islam. Let us not confuse her with bidah. Sis, here's a hadith Dawud :: Book 8 : Hadith 1497 Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) counting the glorification of Allah on fingers. So sister, it's better we use our fingers for counting as our Prophet used to do. If there's no need of any number, dhikr {rememberance} of Allah swt can be done without the count, just by moving and moisting our toungue. There's a hadith that the best dhikr is La ilaha illal la. Even while out other works and chores, we can busy ourselves with this dhikr As the usage of tasbeeh may lead to show-off, which is a form of shirk { a type of sin}, better to avoid it. Edited by seekshidayath - 02 March 2011 at 7:12am |
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