Apologetic Hiroshima and defiant America

Auzubillahi minash shaitan ir rajeem,

Bismillah ir rahman ir rahim,

b95000 wrote: B: Americans present facts and reality in a hundred ways - like a kaleidiscope - and if you factor in the peoples of the world there are a thousand ways or more...so your point is obvious...people are self focused and tribal or nationalistic...this is not news Nausheen.

Aah, so the rest of us are tribal and nationalistic.

B: Read what I wrote again Nausheen.  I did not preclude the US from tribalism or nationalism per se.  You did..

b95000 wrote: You're wrong, the UN and reps were ready to oppose Saddam with force as they deemed it necessary.  That day was coming sooner or later.

But the Americans could not have patience, because there were elections coming up.

B: More likely, the MNF did not have patience because there was summer coming up...April 2003 was 18 months before the pres. election..

The best thing would be to penalized  america heavily for placing Saddam in position of power in the first place.

B: Give us some suggestions...how would you do that?

b95000 wrote: Here's the point now Nausheen - is the world better off without Saddam and with a free Iraq?

NO

B: Really.  The world is not better off without Saddam and his mass murders?  Why don't you tell these people that!
http://www.massgraves.info/

b95000 wrote: Huh, so you're not willing to give specifics...yeah, great answer... Peace..

What I said was a no brainer. So sorry, I do not further discussions when they start to get boring.

Peace,

N

B: You said one page up in this forum that America "keep(s) attacking other poor populations of the world" and I've simply asked that you give us some specifics...suddenly that's boring?  I rather think you should provide proof for your charge.  But you're the one making the charge and asking us to believe it..

B: You said one page up in this forum that America "keep(s) attacking other poor populations of the world" and I've simply asked that you give us some specifics...suddenly that's boring?  I rather think you should provide proof for your charge.  But you're the one making the charge and asking us to believe it..

b95000 wrote: B: You said one page up in this forum that America "keep(s) attacking other poor populations of the world" and I've simply asked that you give us some specifics...suddenly that's boring?  I rather think you should provide proof for your charge.  But you're the one making the charge and asking us to believe it..

I do not need to provide any proof. The number of civilians you guys have been killing is no secret. The discussion is not suddenly boring, but perpetually boring,

B: Sorry Nausheen, but you're not making sense here - why is this topic boring if it's relevent?  And it is relevent...

because for you only when 4000 americans were killed they were individuals, rest all need proofs, specifics etc, and if we go in further details the discussion turns back into a circle for why there was war, and all this is collateral damage etc etc etc.

B: Huh?  I only consider Americans individuals?  That's simply not true...and, by the way, people from dozens of countries were killed on 9/11 - not just Americans.  No, you have no reason to make this allegation against me.  None other than that you disagree with me and allegations against those you disagree with, even though specious, can be convenient in the short term.

You have been here for not more than 4 months, and I have been on this forum for more than 4 years. This is not the first time an american is trying to ignore that civilian deaths are not just numbers in newpapers and news bulletins, but real human beings! 

B: I totally agree.  When and how have I ever disagreed with this?

That civilian deaths are your responisbilty! That this is a price they pay for your wars!

B: "Your wars" - OK, if you would make some attempt at context, that would be great Nausheen...then maybe we can begin to discuss responsibilities...but until then, it wouldn't be helpful, I'm afraid.  If you're willing, I'm willing...

The japanese have said sorry to the chinese and the Koreans, and citizens started flying back across broders after 50+ years. I think they should do the same for the pearl harbour incident, but I have talked to many many japanese, they are not smart alecs. They are humble and accept the fault of Japan in world war ... They behave civil. I have met koreans and Thai ppl in Japan, and seen bitterness in their eyes and voices against the Japanese. War does that, to deny people the right to it, or to deny it is the responsibility of the one who caused pain, is cruel in plain common man's language.

Therefore talking about "this is war"  and "this is the reason why we have war" can be a good passtime for you, but there are people dying WHO SHOULD NOT BE DYING.

B: Please discuss with me the death and dying under Saddam and throughout the ME of people WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE DIED AND SHOULD NOT BE DYING.  What are you going to do about and where is your outrage for that?  This is the context that we need to get to.  This is not just America's egregious sins...no, this is humanity's egregious sins...the sooner we understand that, the better.

Iraqis are better, and Afghanis are better ..... this is what you think, but the reality is none is better, nor is america after the attacks.  This you will understand 10 years down the road.  The attack on Afghanistan was the beginning to end of the super power of America. This is not debatable now, because your super power has not ended yet. Come back and debate after 10 years.

B: This is your opinion.  There are millions of people that disagree and time will tell the ultimate benifit of removing Saddam and the Taliban, forcing ME governments to come to reality and come to grips with AQ, and beginning the establishment of democracy in the region.

Peace to you and yours Nausheen..

Peace,

N

not suddenly boring, but perpetually boring,

Nausheen, I admire your patience with our zig zag poster. you never know where he is coming from or going. Don't ever mention "day" to him. He will ask you to produce proof that day exists or why should it exist!!