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Japan's attrocities are no excuse for America's.
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The comedian Jibreel:

i think people want wars because they lost there faith God, they do not even
think about it., even if they considered God to be there conscience.

Most wars are fought over God, usually through how to interpret God and his message. From the 30 years war in Europe where parts of Germany lost 60% of its population, to the Wahhabi's killing upwards of 1 million people to impose its theological dictatorship over the Peninsula. People forget the message of God, because usually people fight over God. Bush it can be argued is fighting Iraq for God, as he see's it as a nessecary step to secure Israel which is nessecary for the second coming of the messiah.


And i say this is becquse some people hqve been putting there faith in
other things then facing there own actions by depending on them for
everything, like oil, money and power.

In the US many people who supported the war in Iraq, supported it for religious reasons. So learn before you speak Jibreel...you really know very little.

The moment a person realizes that everyone and everything is God's
creation, then and only then they can accept others.,

Funny it is you who cannot accept that people don't believe in Islam, and your continual attacks on Christanity show this. Hypocrite.

 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote firewall Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 August 2005 at 4:32pm
the Japs have vision.
they're able to achieve the best technologies, uneracheable by nations not bombed at all...
my teacher also said them defeating the Brits, made Malays realised they too can gain indipendance from the Brits


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Bismillah,

Nico, the spirit of what Jibreel said seems genuine to me and in agreement with you.  People lose their initial reason for war and lose their faith in God along the way forgetting the religious reason and fight for egotistical ones.

B, Any bomb dropped on civilian populations is wrong Islamically because we are instructed not to wage war against non-combatants.  That seems very clear to me.  The Japanese atrocities were committed by the soldiers, not the civilians yet the civilians were devasted by the US bombs.  There is no justification for this action in front of Allah, SWT. 



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Originally posted by nico nico wrote:

Japan's attrocities are no excuse for America's.


I'm not saying that.  Understanding context is important..
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Originally posted by nico nico wrote:

Bush it can be argued is fighting Iraq for God, as he see's it as a nessecary step to secure Israel which is nessecary for the second coming of the messiah.


Nico, this is a large presumption.  There are many Christians who don't have that literal a view of eschatology (the end events of history).  Do you know what Bush's view on eschatology is or whether his considerations in the War on Terror/War for Freedom are not motivated by defense of the US Constitution, peoples and nation?
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Originally posted by jibreel jibreel wrote:

And what the U.S. and there allies are doing today is not evil?, by invading
armless countries and killing innocent people while yet blaming there fears
on SADAM of been the possible threat?

B: Hmmm...that's a problem.  That's how you see this?  Not slaughters in Dar Al Salaam, Nairobi, New York, Washington, Baghdad and Kandahar that the MNF could not turn a blind eye to?  Please...

...so for this matter, wars are evil period...

B: Yes, but fighting a war brought on one can be deemed just.  Do you agree that the US was attacked on 9/11, or not?  If you do not believe even that basic truth, then we have a non-starter here in this particular discussion..

 and people should not provoke them
by killing others over oil...

B: You are aware that there are murderous provocations that pre-dated Afghanistan and Iraq, aren't you?  I don't see you addressing those facts and realities.  That's really too bad Jibreel.
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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

This is the Defiant America. Dumb, deaf and blind they will never return.



Oh Mockba, you impute defiance upon America, with your own brand of defiance.  Ironic, isn't it?  What came first the chicken or the egg?
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