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The link between Iraq and terrorism. Shot down you say? What is killing political opponents and having the military leaders so affraid that they rather not tell you the truth when it's bad out of fear of being killed? What was all the support for Saddam at the start of this war(on TV) really out of fear of being killed by the secret service if they voiced a negative opinion of their opressor. but when their deffences got over run suddenly people came out trampling his pictures and cheering for their liberation. The Saddam regime was nothing BUT terrorism....and i think it is a shame that instead of taking a stand against those who would love to take his place like Al Zarqawi and his likes, it seems people protract the situation by forgetting the real trouble makers and rather take in false information and dishonest opinions about those who brought Saddam down. I do not expect the Iraqi people to take that stand, because being in a society like that must takes it's toll on your moral health, and with death and political assasinations all around it is not easy for them to say "Zarqawi you are wrong, without you the Americans would be back home, and all this blood spilled over you would not be, so leave us alone and let us vote for our government, it can't be worse then Saddam or you." But for the free islamic and arab people to not spill a word on Al Zarqawi and people like him lusting for power through cowardly acts which they deem neccisary because they are weaker, and instead just be "fashionable" and tag along with anarchists and socialists against what they call the great opressor through dishonest opinions and twisted and twisted again information? i can not understand this. This only empowers people like Al Zarqawi and this causes more bloodshed.(nice going you o so peaceful people of the world). Maybe they should realize that if your weakness makes you resort to deliberate unjust acts, that means your whole cause is wrong. But this is hard to understand for someone who is blinded by the lust for power, so when are muslims going to take a stand against these kind of power lovers? and where were the muslims when Saddam killed his Kurdish neighbours? you did not hear muslims cry out then, except the kurds and muslims just looked at them and found Saddam more impressive because afterall he was the embodiment of Arab nationalism(what a crack up)...but when sanctions are put up...you hear some....and when the country is invaded and the tyrant removed you hear alot of them together with their anarchist and socialist (get over it) friends protest against really the removal of a tyrant and the fight against his supporters and those who wish to take his place. You can argue "no we are not against his removal, but against the US who put him there and supported him and now they are after the oil" but seriously even if it is true, so what? and the US being after the oil, even if this is so...ever heard of the thing called "war booty" it is something familiar to muslims, or do muslims think that they are the only ones intitled on taking war booty. Atleast they leave most of the women alone(good thing we are more civilized nowadays then lets say 300 years ago, 200, 100 years even) and free the country from an opressor. So what is wrong here? Al Zarqawi is tollerated by muslims, Saddam is even tolerated but not the US. Why do muslims expect the US to be better in their actions then Saddam or Al Zarqawi(which in reality they are because imagine Al Zarqawi and Saddam having a military like the US), and scream high and low at their wrong doings but have understanding when it concerns.....is it because they are simply arabs? that is a filthy and disgusting form of racism, understanding wrong doings simply because of race. If this is not the case why then? Is Al Zarqawi a freedom fighter according to you? if he is he must be one of the most stupid freedom fighters on the face of the earth, and it is amazing that he actually has people under him, i can only wonder what level of understanding they are on, because it is him and his people that keep the US military from leaving. So in reality he is an anti freedom fighter. Why can't they just back off? why do they feel such a need to be in power? are they forbidden from practising their faith if they have any under the new government? And Saddam....well i guess he was better then the new iraqi government.....get real ok? |
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"Further in the worldwar Japan was fighting the armies, but the bombs killed poor, already oppressed, innocent masses of the country." How do you overcome tyrants, dictators and mass murderers - especially those in charge of the apparatus of a nation? This is no easy question and no easy task. The UN has been tasked, in part, with this for years....how have they done? Why should the US be blamed for every tryrant and evil and ill in the world. To do so, as some are want to do blithely, is immature and foolish, in my humble opinion and doesn't reflect a mature view of human nature nor the affairs of nations. Edited by b95000 |
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Bruce
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I am not saying here that the US has clean hands when it comes to Saddam and Iraq but do not go overboard with unfair accusations and unrealistic wishes(like all US soldiers becoming goody two shoes). Why was the arab world silent when Saddam was doing what he was doing and now the US tries to correct the situation by removing him from power and encouraging democracy suddenly it becomes so wrong and people start to shout and jump in the way whenever they can and not spill a word on those who wish to replace him or just say something like "yeah those people are wrong but it is the US fault by them being there" how dishonest....i do not think they even mean it when they say "those people(like Al Zarqawi) are wrong" but say it to achieve a little bit of credibility because somewhere they sense that those acts are not possible to justify. People should really take a good look at what they are defending or attacking. Because if it is just attacking then know that Allah does not love those who show enemosity.(inna Allaha laa yuhibbu al mu'tadeen). If it is defending the people of Iraq and afghanistan then take a stand against the reason of their troubles, people like Al Zarqawi, Saddam and Osama and his gang.
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This white wash would have shone well only if your whiter than white admins sacked their tyrant when he was in full employment. Now, it's just an after thought - mere excuse. We are now ready with open eyes, we will see how big an empire you make! |
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well you might want to put some glasses on, cause it might get too bright for you.
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It's very simple for you to make such a cute little statement. In reality few nations have the power or resolve to accomplish what the US led coaltion (the MNF) accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both nations have had elections. 4 1/2 million women voted in Afghanistan for the first time in generations or perhaps ever. Some girls are going to school there for the first time ever in their young lives. People all over the world were quite surprised at the quick fall of Baghdad and almost every planned deadline has been met there politically - including historic elections in January 2005 when millions defied death threats to vote...you can try to belittle and downplay that all you want Sasha - good luck... But the reality is the no matter your cherished European polling numbers, the US is a vital member of the world community, as are the other 30 to 35 nations in the MNF Coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a process of international reasoning and international law was pursued with regard to Iraq and Afghanistan. You should really understand or at least refer to such realities before making such simplistic conclusions as yours. Your little rants against the US are short of facts and reason. Why is that? Why don't you ever discuss the bigger picture in these nations? Rather you seem obsessed Sasha with your negativity toward the US. We're waiting Sasha, with baited breath, to see how you and your kabal in Spain will change the world. |
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Bismillah, B, I don't agree that believing that other methods of warfare than killing millions of people at a time is an immature view of warfare and the world. It is one that shows we believe in a Merciful Allah, who has all the power and the glory, and has clearly told us not to kill non-combatants. Those who perpetrate mass killings are wrong and Allah, SWT, will decide what to do with them. (And that inlcludes suicide bombers killing children, old people, any non-combatants.) Community, did you forget that our government supported and supplied Saddam Hussein and OBL? So because of this we are actually almost completely responsible for the difficulties in Iraq and Afghanistan. You want oppressed and terrified people to do what with Al-Zarqawi? People who are against him are afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. Do you think it's easy for people to get to him and people like him? No, it's not! I'm sure many Iraqis and Afghanis would like to see the leaders of suicide bombers out of their countries. It's just not as easy as you make it seem. Edited by herjihad |
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Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.
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""Community, did you forget that our government supported and supplied Saddam Hussein and OBL? So because of this we are actually almost completely responsible for the difficulties in Iraq and Afghanistan. "" Yeah, it seems everytime the US trusts someone arabic or muslim they turn around and try stab the US in the back, how could the US know Osama first all lovely and rubbing shoulders with the US and fighting on the same side against Communism turns around like that and starts his crazed rampage? Saddam...says alot about Iraq if they could not see any other strong partner against communism in Iraq except a man would turn out to be a mad man. Wether these were deliberate calculations of these 2 figures turning out like this or if it was for the sake of a greater cause or it was just a miscalculation on the part of US observers as to what would be in their best interest and the best interest of the region i leave in the middle. "You want oppressed and terrified people to do what with Al-Zarqawi? People who are against him are afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. Do you think it's easy for people to get to him and people like him? No, it's not!" The people of Iraq are indeed opressed by these kind of figures, so it is of utmost importance that free muslims in the west fight against these opressors. Allah asks us this in the koran:
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