You know what bugs me about God?

Hayfa wrote: Gibbs,What makes you think that racism and sexism (which could take whole discussion about exactly what that is)� is acceptable in Islam? Gibbs: I never said they were acceptable I merely said they weren't addressed as sins. If they are prove me wrong. Please point out specifically where they are addressed as sins. 1. If one have thoughts that you are anyone is better than another person based upon ones skin color or ethnicity or that somehow men or women are better than another based solely on gender, that is not part of Islam. What makes you think either is acceptable? Gibbs: Again never said they were merely said that masturbation was addressed as a sin yet sexism and racism weren't, if they are please point that out to me. 2. Where do you find� that it would be okay to discriminate for that reason in terms of jobs etc.? Gibbs: I never mentioned anything about jobs. Whether people do it is another matter... but where do you think it is acceptable? Gibbs: Again I never said it was acceptable just not addressed as a sin yet something as harmless as masturbation is. If someone does have these thoughts then one has a diseased heart. Because that is arrogance. And being arrogant is a sign of a diseased heart. If you discriminate then you are harming a person and that is wrong.Masturbation... certain actions are sinful. This does not mean that God will not forgive you. But one should make an effort to refrain. Believe it or not, a lot of Muslim men do. We tend to think that people cannot have some level of self-control. If you cannot, you cannot, then ask for forgiveness. And that is a personal matter.And it could land you in hell... none of us know our destiny.� Its like Gibbs, if you believe in God, and you continually do something that is not acceptable, like you are 'thumbing your nose," you don't care, you just care about your own ego.. Gibbs: Having an ego is apart of our consciousness. With respect to self stimulation I simply disagree with the fact that you need to self restrain yourself for something that isn't violating chastity or infidelity. I still hold the opinion that Muhammad prohibited because its culturally considered taboo since marriage is suppose to curb those feelings-which we all know isn't true. well yeah, watch out. That is the point of repentance.� Why do you not think child abuse is not a sin? Gibbs: Because its not specifically addressed in Islam as a sin. First of all, one needs to define child abuse. Gibbs: Seriously? I really have to define it? But in general, harming another person is a sin.� I guess I don't get your correlation about women throwing their babies in dumpsters. Gibbs: It's an example of how masturbation is deemed as a hell worthy yet abuses such as throwing babies in dumpsters or molesting them aren't, and if they are, they're not addressed as sins. Harming another person as a sin? Ok however children may not be seen as persons and if that were the case what about abortion? That is not accepted either. Impulses: we all have them and we have a higher level that can learn to control them. It does not mean you do without. For instance, Islam is not about abstinence. There are no priests. Gibbs: I don't see why you mentioned priests and abstinence in same sentence. Have sex, lots of it. Have fun, lots of fun. But get married firsthand all. And really Gibbs, I would say for a good percentage of these other impulses are society created. Its like if you go to prostitutes. One thinks it is "ok" and really nothing wrong cause the women are getting paid and "asking" for it. I was reading an article about the change in porn from the days of playboy to the violence really accessible to young boys and girls. And how this is there "normal."�

abuayisha wrote: <P style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: kashida; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-KASHIDA: 0%; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; unicode-bidi: ; DIRECTION: ltr" =MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt" lang=EN-GB>Fatwa (41)<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN> <P style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: kashida; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-KASHIDA: 0%; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; unicode-bidi: ; DIRECTION: ltr" =MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt" lang=EN-GB>Q) What is the legal (Shari'a) ruling on masturbation as an act which prevents one from falling into and committing fornication (Zina)?<o:p></o:p></SPAN> <P style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: kashida; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-KASHIDA: 0%; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; unicode-bidi: ; DIRECTION: ltr" =MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt" lang=EN-GB>A) Masturbation is an unpleasant action and contradicts good and proper taste and manners. Scholars differed over the ruling on masturbation, as some said it was entirely forbidden (Haram), others said it was detestable (Makrooh) entirely without any sin being born by the person whilst others said that it is Halal when one fears that he may fall into fornication otherwise. Indeed some said that it is obligatory if one felt that it stops from committing Zina, according to the principle of preventing the greatest harm with the least.<o:p></o:p></SPAN> <P style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: kashida; TEXT-ALIGN: justify; TEXT-KASHIDA: 0%; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; unicode-bidi: ; DIRECTION: ltr" =MsoPlainText><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt" lang=EN-GB>We are of the opinion that it is detestable without any sin being born by the person, particularly in the case of those who live in immoral and promiscuous countries. We base our opinion of it being detestable (Makrooh) that Islam guided us to ways to protect ourselves from Zina, i.e. marriage, fasting or patience and forsaking for Allah (swt). Islam did not mention masturbation as a proper form of prevention from Zina. As for our opinion that the person committing this act does not bear any sin; because the legal evidence did not clearly state it being Haram. 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However, one must never make this a habit which may then become an illness to the extent where he would even refrain from approaching his own wife. One must also remember the importance of seeking the legal methods of alleviating this problem, such as marriage, fasting or patience in the way of Allah (swt).<o:p></o:p></SPAN> <DIV style="mso-element: footnote-list"><BR clear=all> <HR align=left SIZE=1 width="33%"> <DIV style="mso-element: footnote" id=ftn1><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Traditional Arabic'; mso-ansi-: EN-US" dir=rtl lang=AR-SA> <P style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" dir=rtl =MsoPlainText align=center><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; FONT-SIZE: 16pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt" dir=ltr lang=EN-GB>European Council for Fatwa and Research<o:p></o:p></SPAN> </SPAN>

@Abuayisha thanks. I wish you explained it and actually you may want to post that in the men's section given that there are other members down there who are posting contradictory information. Only thing is marriage doesn't gurantee anything.

Gibbs wrote: @Islamispeace My original post was glitched so I couldn't post but basically what I wanted to say was not to be about masturbation but about the rule. As far as masturbation is concerned there is no medical evidence that suggest any harmful effects. God made the complex brain and the intricate neuro systems that allow us to fantasize. Why make rules on what you've created? That is my problem. Masturbation is not harmful and is in fact the safest form of abstinence. Beauty as you seem to have your argument fixated on is not all singular. One can be fixated on clothes, smell, or even tone of voice. I think you idea of masturbation is misguided by your perception of what it is. Temptation is nothing more than the working of your hypothalamus along with other brain areas effecting your sexual appetites.

It is harmful when it becomes addictive, which it usually does.  Furthermore, I read about a study recently on WebMD which stated that frequent masturbation increased the risk of prostate cancer in younger men, although it seemed to lower that risk in older men.  The advice of the lead author was that "moderation" was the key. But if one gets addicted to it, than there is no moderation, is there? 

As the fatwa which brother abuayisha posted stated, it really depends on the situation.  If you feel that you can't control your desires and masturbation seems to keep you from acting on those desires, than it can be a useful tool, but again, moderation is important.  However, resisting the urge should be the main line of defense.      

As I said before, the impulses which we feel are normal, but they should only be acted upon in the proper context, which is in marriage with one's spouse.  Until one is married, it is one's duty to remain chaste.  The feelings one has are normal and as long as they remain that way, there is no blame on the person.  It is only when the person acts upon those feelings that it becomes sinful.   

Ok, First off NO MATTER WHAT CHURCH you belong to there is ONLY one God. No matter the name of the God, there is only one. 2 No matter what church, or center, or religion ALL are corrupt , EVERY religion has "RULES" and "TEACHINGS" that are LIES and FALSE.                                               So i do understand why you feel this way. What you need to do is understand that THERE IS A GOD period. What you need to do is read ALL holy books, Q'ran, Bible, ect ect. and draw your OWN beliefs from what you read and learn, DON'T just believe something because someone told you it is true. Research it, read it, read everything you can, then believe what YOU believe, NOT what your TOLD to believe. and you will be fine. Allah/God is understanding, it is NOT a sin/harem to draw your own conclusion .                                                                                               The most important thing is to BELIEVE in a God, higher power, a being, what ever you want to call it. He will guide you from there. REMEMBER: A SIN FOR ONE MAN MAY NOT BE A SIN FOR ANOTHER!! meaning if YOU believe doing "X" is bad then it is bad. If you believe doing "Y" is OK then it is OK. Just so long as you don't cross the line, IE causing HARM to another human or animal WITH OUT CAUSE. EVERY religion has bad people, bad rules, and bad teachings. and EVERY religion has people who are angels, some of the best people you could ever meet, decent and good people, with rules and teachings that are good, pure and TRUTHFUL. So you just have to read, learn, talk, and ask questions. ALLAH IS GREAT!!!  I hope this helps some.