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Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:




Going back to original point:
Would it be correct to say that in your opinion men are more vulnerable to sex urges and in order to contain them women must dress modestly?


One of the reasons why Hijab is misunderstood is due to the individual's own perceptions. You are thinking like many nonmuslims that the sole purpose of Hijab is to contain the man's sexual urges . . . . which is not true. The Hijab will not "contain" the man's urges, but it will to a large extent dissuade those urges when they are unwelcome.

The benefits of Hijab are far more holistic than that ! Hijab is not just about sexuality . . . it is also about humility, modesty, simplicity. It is about character . . . it is a mindset.

Also, the Hijab benefits a woman (and women in general, in the society) more than it effects a man. It tries to shift the society's focus away from body-image, sexuality and appearances to more wholesome, constructive issues.

The Qur'an speaks of Hijab for the men before it speaks of Hijab for the women. BOTH are commanded to observe Hijab and are given a dress-code. Naturally - given their very obvious biological differences, the dress code is different for both.

 
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Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

---- That is middle-ages thinking. I'm not ready to discuss topics on that level. I appreciate your honesty though.

Well, to a question like "What's wrong with having sexual fantasies when looking at somebody", I could only answer that. This question I thought was pretty mediocre :/
Anyway, I see you didn't reply to the rest of the points, guessing they've been clarified for ya. I'm glad.
Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

Going back to original point:
Would it be correct to say that in your opinion men are more vulnerable to sex urges and in order to contain them women must dress modestly?

Its not a one way procedure like you make it sound. Men may not wear Hijaab but they're strictly instructed to dress and conduct themselves modestly as well.

Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

TO HAYFA:

:Because things like sexual assault and rape are NOT about sex. But about power.
--- If that was the case then there would be no sexual intercourse, at least in a lot of cases, as there are million other was to display power - beating up, torturing, forcing into 'slave games', and so on.


I think there's a power factor majorly involved in rape, and that's probably what she was referring to.

rape 1
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.

What do ya think? Smile





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TO HAYFA:

:Because things like sexual assault and rape are NOT about sex. But about power.
--- If that was the case then there would be no sexual intercourse, at least in a lot of cases, as there are million other was to display power - beating up, torturing, forcing into 'slave games', and so on.
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TO HAYFA:

:I agree wth xx.. men may be physically stronger- generally, this does not mean they are not weak.
--- Agree. I lived in 4 different countries and seen countless cases that prove that men are much weaker than women. I also believe that physical prowess is more on the woman's side. I've seen it countless times in yoga classes.
I also agree with that both sexes can be 'weak' depending on the situation they find themselves in.

Going back to original point:
Would it be correct to say that in your opinion men are more vulnerable to sex urges and in order to contain them women must dress modestly?







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TO ACE:

:To be very honest, you don't even have a need to bring Islam into this. Simple, practical and logical thinking answers this. What happens when you get sexually provocated, lol? Maybe some people manage to control. Countless rape cases, STD, AIDS, etc, anyone?

---- That is middle-ages thinking. I'm not ready to discuss topics on that level. I appreciate your honesty though.


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Elijah,
and here is that common proof in the west if woman have more power to provoke man: I don't know where you live, but here in US if you ever bought anything at Walmart and got in line to pay for it, it is unlikely that you will miss those magazine covers with beautiful and exposed women.
don't tell me why?
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Edited by honeto - 09 June 2010 at 4:15pm
39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"
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AND there are societal benefits
--- Do you think modesty will stop provoking men sexually?

No completely, no. There are people with ill intentions and bad thoughts all over. But it does help people get passed the "physical." But will it stop a man out to hard a woman? No. Because things like sexual assault and rape are NOT about sex. But about power.


 
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Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

:Having more than reason does not make the contradictory.
--- It does if it reasons contradict one another.

Huh? Hayfa and I just eleborated that point. You can't possibly say its a contradiction after reading this, lol;

Originally posted by Hayfa Hayfa wrote:

There are many aspects regarding hijab. Having more than reason does not make the contradictory. Women and men wear it in obedience to Allah. AND there are societal benefits.

1. Modesty (haya) is very central to Islam.The following hadith suggests that modesty is so important that the absence of it could lead a person to sinful behavior and disbelief: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘If you have no shame, do as you wish.’" (al-Bukhari)

Another hadith links modesty to faith: “The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘Faith consists of more than seventy branches. And haya (modesty) is a part of faith.’” (al-Bukhari) A more comprehensive example of haya can be found in the following hadith:

"Abdullah ibn Mas'ud relates that one day the Prophet said, 'Be shy of Allah (God) Most High as much as is His due.' The companions present said, 'All praise to Allah, we are shy of Him.' The Prophet said, 'That is not the point. Whoever is shy of Allah as much as is His due, he should protect his head and that which it comprises (i.e. mind, mouth, ears), his stomach and that which is adjoining it (i.e. preserve it from unlawful wealth and protect the private parts from the unlawful), and he should remember death and that which is to come after it; and whoever desires the Hereafter should abandon the adornments of this world. Whoever fulfills these duties has been shy of Allah as much as is His due.'" (Musnad Ahmad)



Originally posted by xx__Ace__xx xx__Ace__xx wrote:

That, sir, is purely intentional. Not a contradiction is what I'd call it, rather a look at it from two different angles. In Islam, I convincingly believe that what the Almighty guides me to do is perfectly beneficial to me, the society around me and even the environment. That said, I predict it should be a little clearer to you now, that by wearing Hijaab, not only women obey God who encouraged this act -which is the primary aspect to it- but prevent sexual provocation and its harmful results as well, which is just the cause God has intended this act for.


And I wonder how can you claim two reasons actually supporting and interlinking each other to be a contradiction :/


Originally posted by elijah-boy elijah-boy wrote:

:AND there are societal benefits
--- Do you think modesty will stop provoking men sexually?

Orrrrr, are you telling me a women dressing and conducting herself in perfect modesty and Hijaab would somehow still provoke a man?! Wow. . . In that case such a man needs a serious medical check up, his sexual traits surpass those of a human.



Edited by xx__Ace__xx - 09 June 2010 at 8:41am
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