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Nur_Ilahi that American sniper comment was a low blow. I have friends that serve in the armed forces and if you imply the duties of an American sniper implies cowardice I would think again. This isn't about military might
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As far as being sure I was referring to being sure from the perspective of the of the believer. Every person of faith believes their religion is a way of life and it is. Every article of faith is tantamount to laws we follow everyday in our respective lands.

Hindus I'm sure believe what they believe is a way of life. I'm pretty confident I don't need to prove that since India has made the cow sacred which tells me that respecting this animal is not a temporary thing but a way of life for them this is what I meant.
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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Nur_Ilahi that American sniper comment was a low blow. I have friends that serve in the armed forces and if you imply the duties of an American sniper implies cowardice I would think again. This isn't about military might


In the first place, your friend or the American Army, has no right to be there.

People do not call a sniper a sniper if he shows bravery, is it not?
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Originally posted by Gibbs Gibbs wrote:

Hindus I'm sure believe what they believe is a way of life. I'm pretty confident I don't need to prove that since India has made the cow sacred which tells me that respecting this animal is not a temporary thing but a way of life for them this is what I meant.


A true religion is a religion that is compatible with the intellect.
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@ Nur_Ilahi

Nice to know you assume where my friends are stationed. If you must know they (they are three) are stationed in Germany. Two are Navy Seals who I'm sure would kill Iraqi insurgets without the need to hide. Anyway its obvious you don't have any knowledge of American military.
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  Iagree with Gibbs. A sniper is part of ANY countries military. I bet you there are snipers from all over the globe. Because someone is a sniper does not mean they are a coward either. They have a special skill. That is all. If anyone watches a biathalon they are incredible people who can ski really, really fast over long distance, stop, bring the heart rate down and shoot.  I would not assume  that someone is a sniper because they are a coward. It is one position in a military.

Many people all over the world join their countries armed forces. They DO believe they are there to defend their country. Having a military is not wrong. What it, at times, is used for is wrong. But not all the time. Often the soldiers are worth no more than anyone else. They too are pawns. Just like ALOT of people who follow various leaders and power hungry people.






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Thanks Hayfa

Anyway I prefer to keep this about the appropriate subject matter than about what duties military personnel have.
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Originally posted by Nur_Ilahi Nur_Ilahi wrote:


A true religion is a religion that is compatible with the intellect.

I think a pagan religion is one which is compatible with the intellect.  Compatibility with intellect can be achieved simply by discarding revelation.

 What is the "intellectual compatibility" of praying at specific times?  Of Ramadan or Hajj at specific times?  Furthermore, Muhammad also said there were times NOT to pray.

This is not to criticize Islam, but to give an example of why I disagree with your logic.  Islam would simpler, and more intellectually compatible if these rules were discarded.  Islam has very few miracles, but do the miracles of the elephant or of Muhammad producing water from his fingertips in the desert make Islam any less true?

The simplest and most intellectually compatible religion is worship of self.  God becomes a projection of man's desire.   "New Age" religions are very simple and intellectually compatible for this reason.  People love them because they 'make sense' and it makes them feel good.  Well enough, but there is nothing there but idolatry.  No scriptural revelation, no prophecy, no miracles, no healing.

No, I think a true religion has a connection to divine power.  I think simple and understandable is more likely to indicate falsity and man-made origins.
If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. 5:48
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