Sign*Reader wrote: ...They had no power to divide but to demand whatever but there was something else bigger in scope than that these guys that you have overlooked!

Edited by nu001 - 07 May 2011 at 6:11am

Sign*Reader wrote: Chrysalis: I would like you to tell me whatever you know about the boys beaten to death in  Sialkot to help my fondness! And this happened in Ramadan that can't be blamed on talibaans either!

Well Sign these beatings were definitely horrendous and foolish - but what I fail to see is how you are associating it with Pakistan's ideology?

Bro killings, murders, shootings take place throughout the world. It is an unfortunate part of being human and living amongst mortals who are flawed. Name one society, community or nation that is crime free? The people involved in the beatings were foolish, impulsive and aggressive. A trend that is unfortunately becoming more common with young males around the world. 

If we be that cynical then we shall simply end up having no fondness for any of our fellow human race, not just Pakistan. Since such acts are part and parcel of life as human beings...

 

There is no Pakistan that was Iqbal's dream

Thats because reality can never be as Utopian as a dream. Theory is always markedly different from its application. Imperfection is part of being human. While I do hope Pakistan and the Ummah overcome their problems, I do not expect everything to be perfect, Utopian or dream like. We will always have our flaws.
When a baby is born, the parents think it's perfect, they want it to be perfect, they have stellar expectations - they dream big dreams.... they never stop to think of possibilities that the child may grow up to be a material failure, unemployed or a criminal. Dreams are always eons away from actual reality...

 

I think being a poet  philosopher Iqbal forgot, it takes real people to build nation, not just a piece of land!

I agree 100% with the part in bold. Real people means real flaws and real mistakes - meaning we shall never achieve the dream... and we should be ready to accept failures and disappointments. We can try to achieve it, and attain the next best level. However that doesn't mean we have to be cynical and write off an entire population based on their human flaws and faults.  

Hayfa wrote: I do hope that it is BEHIND one's commitment to Allah, Islam and humanity.

I agree. Thats how I view my attachment towards Pakistan...  as long as the  love for my land its people doesn't clash with my Imaan and Islam. The interest of our Ummah/Muslim Brotherhood (note to FBI: not the Egyptian political party...the other kind) should be given a priority over our "tribe" or "country.

Upto a certain extent it can be compatible . . . . attachment to one's roots is something inevitable and cannot be seperated from who you are.

I think as the people become more inter-connected through technology we will be less and less nationalistic. As more people travel and see the world, people will think less about "my group" by humanity as a whole.

Lets hope so inshAllah!

Assalam Alaikum