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   a little later................

We condemn utterly these barbaric attacks. Those responsible have no respect for human life. We are united in our front to defeat terrorism which is not an attack on one nation but on all nations and on civilization as we know it. We will not allow this to stop the work of this summit. We will continue our deliberations in search of a better world. The perpetrators of this attack are intent on destroying human life. The terrorists will not succeed. Today's bombings will not weaken in any way our resolve to defeat those who would impose their fanaticism and extremism on all of us. We shall prevail and they shall not. 

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tracy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 28 July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote tracy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 9:56am
	a little later................ We condemn utterly these barbaric attacks. Those responsible have no respect for human life. We are united in our front to defeat terrorism which is not an attack on one nation but on all nations and on civilization as we know it. We will not allow this to stop the work of this summit. We will continue our deliberations in search of a better world. The perpetrators of this attack are intent on destroying human life. The terrorists will not succeed. Today's bombings will not weaken in any way our resolve to defeat those who would impose their fanaticism and extremism on all of us. We shall prevail and they shall not.

tracy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 28 July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 40	Post Options Post Reply Quote tracy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 10:01am
	He didnt point a finger at any one group OMYA????

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 12:50pm
	of course it has to with the teachings at the mosques, if it was anywhere else do you think it would be allowed ? Angel, who is it allowed or sanctioned by? There are 216 mosques of different sizes and forms in the UK and a whole lot more than that in the world. Yes, there are criminals in each community. There are some criminal clerics in the UK as well. But their number is being sexed up - like that famous Downing Street dossier on WMDs. It will be a tall order even to locate 10 bad apples in the whole UK lot. Have you ever attended any lecture by some Sheikh? Or are we just quoting from the press? If challenging Bush and Blair's killing practices can be filed under hate mongering then 67% of Brits, including myself and over 98% of the global Muslim population are definitely hate mongers. Will you now tell me who allowed it?

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 12:57pm
	Whisper, are you sure about that? There seems to be some evidence that some mosques in UK are indulging in hate mongering. This denial is what is causing the entire muslim community to be tarred with a single brush. That's why I keep calling for introspection. Must apologise for not being able to respond to you any earlier, I was away at a place with most feeble phone lines. Yes, there are some clerics in the UK who possibly like to play it up for the media attention they seek. It will be a tall order to find even 10 of these in a place with over 216 mosques. Their importance and numbers are being sexed up like our now very famous Downing Street dossier on the WMDs. Do I need to spell out for what purpose? Nothing like introspection. But just one side doing it solves nothing. We must try and Make Killing History instaed of decorating our killers - on both sides of the fence.

herjihad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 26 January 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2473	Post Options Post Reply Quote herjihad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 7:41pm
	Bismillah, I have never attended a Khutbah, speech, at a mosque, and this is over 20 some years, in America, in Jordan or in Kuwait that said anything pro-terroristic! In fact, our preacher from Al-Azhar who could barely speak English at first, was the first to inform us years ago of the evil of the Taliban. Their behavior made him really, really angry. (And the fact that America funded them!)
	Al-Hamdulillah (From a Married Muslimah) La Howla Wa La Quwata Illa BiLLah - There is no Effort or Power except with Allah's Will.

human Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Guest Group Joined: 25 July 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 120	Post Options Post Reply Quote human Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 August 2005 at 10:51pm
	Whenever there are terrorist attacks, and if the terrorists happen to be muslims, the first reaction of the muslim community (a typical response, obviously no one speaks for all muslims), is that of denial. At first they say, it is a western conspiracy. Once there is proof that it was indeed islamic terrorists who did it, then they start saying the terrorists are not "real" muslims because Quran doesn't allow it. Morality is established by cultures and society. The laws of the land and religious scriptures only go so far and no further. That's why we have crimes, even in Singapore where laws are very strict and Saudi Arabia where apparently strict islamic rule is in place. On the other hand, in some of the scandinavian countries, which are not terribly religious, nor do they have draconian laws, the crime rate is very low. My take from all this is that the cultural values and society play a major role in how people see themselves. In societies where there is a strong disapproval of corruption of any kind, people tend to be less corrupt. I have seen the other extreme in India, where corruption is a way of life. It is practiced at all levels of life and it is okay to be corrupt. Just as I am not blaming all muslims for terrorism, I am not saying all Indians are corrupt. Therefore it behooves on muslims to do serious introspection about their belief system and their books. As muslim apologists keep saying that it was okay for the prophet to marry a nine year old girl at that time, but it is not okay today, there are many other things that require revision. It should not be okay for a cleric to teach gullible youth that in order to reach heaven, he needs to kill so many people. It should not be okay for a cleric to preach that their primary responsibility is towards their religion and the mythical umma, not to the country of their residence. Most importantly, it should not be okay for a cleric to teach young children that all the wisdom is concentrated in Quran and all other knowledge is superfluous and useless. This can only happen if the educated and enlightened muslims call a spade a spade. Human

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 August 2005 at 2:19am
	Human, a great post. I agree with every word and your fair logic. But, the sad reality is that the educated and enlightened Muslim has been rendered redundant by the reality of occupations of Muslim lands, mass killings, prisoner abuse and, finally, by the desecrations of the Quran. Shall I place just an example from one of my neighbour countries? The Islamists had never held more than TWO seats in the National Assembly of Pakistan. Afghanistan made them hold two whole provinces, Baluchistan and the NWFP. Iraq and the US continued support for their general in Islamabad (with total disregard for the man in the street - as usual) I would be surprised if the country won't have something even worse than Talibaan in power within this decade. Brother, ideal solutions and sheer logic does get lost in ground realities.

Whisper Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Male Joined: 25 July 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4752	Post Options Post Reply Quote Whisper Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 August 2005 at 2:25am
	Just forgot to add that the actual effect of the supposed Rasputinic Mullah's sermon is sexed up in the Interest of the State. Our present day situation is caused by sheer disregard for the man in the street. I agree, Imperialism does have its costs.