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jibreel
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Jenni,
Islam is a religion, as a religion is Judaism or Christianity, All 3 faiths trace back to Abraham (PBUH), who existed before Hebrew was ever spoken or written., and Abraham (PBUH) was not a Jew or Christian, but a Muslim who bowed down like those who bow. You can not judge a religion by the people, you can however judge a devoted believer by there religion, but you have to first be a scholar or a practitioner to do that and your are not., this comes off bias. On the other hand, to be a american citizen does not have anything to do with religion, like where as in Israel, you have to be Jewish and religion gets exploited, even though the U.S. has some of the most radical hate groups on the planet like the KKK, ex Nazis for the government., zionists and who ever has the cash to live there as long as they abide by some basic rules., which can be broken if you can afford to pressure those they hate and blame for there countries problems. So do not confuse Islam with other countries like Israel, you can be from any faith and live in a islamic country.,also Muslims are from every part of the globe .. The U.S. adapted Islamic teachings, like the freedom of speech, equal rights but yet has failed to use them in practice more then any other western nation that has been influenced by Islam's solutions to peace in society, respect for woman and arts & science for a few examples. **But to get to the point, a Muslim is a person like anyone else but who rather wants to submit to rules ALLAH (God) had promised mankind in the Torah and the Qur'an., so we submit to these rules rather then our desires. Everyone is tempted by there desires, and everyone tastes sins which bring sick consequences to a individuals soul and being., all religions teach this. **A muslim can not commit a violent act on his own, if he does he submitted to his own desires and there are consequences., and most of all, they could not then be Muslim in this case. **HOWEVER, a muslim has fight only if attacked, or go to fight if there is clear proof of tyranny and oppressors that come to attack another nation., like the U.S. has in Iraq and Afghanistan, and worst off (TYRANTS) who will stop at nothing for there self interests and kill others anyway, THEN IT IS ALSO NOT MUSLIM TO STAND BY AND WATCH MURDERS. **This brings us to the point that if even Israel was attacked by the U.S., and Islam has proof that its all oppression, muslims would step in to fight, and the same for the Christian Faith, ---> Islam prohibits attacks on believers PERIOD, and or especially innocent people un armed, if this does not sound fare to you, then you clearly have a problem with living amongst others in Peace., especially when they where never a threat to you. **So to finish this of, Islam does not call wars on anyone, but what do you do if they come to you, your country, your house, your forums to spread there own ideology without understanding Islam., and attack you or others by killing, the killing of innocent peoples by the bombings the U.S. have carried out in Afghanistan years before 9/11.? **Bush did not stop 9/11 or a war, because the war already started before 9/11, the CIA (his DADDY) just never told you about it, and today they are more afraid then you think about a revolution if the people really found out how they have been exploited, not only U.S. citizens but innocent lives lost everywhere over oil profits. So there is always two sides to every story. I can not tell you if this will stop because it already started and its heading towards a bigger problem as G.W. Bush put it, like that "New World Order" speech he gave a few times recently. The "New World Order" was written by Hitler, as well as the "homeland security gestapo system" that terrorized the Germans to actually believing all the propaganda about the Jews, so ethnic cleansing is what Bush wants people to believe little by little and we know how ignorant that ideology is. We already see police arresting black children like tat 9 year old girl on video, Michael Jackson in court while the new Pope has a child abuse case and a nazi past behind him., but what else is new from the U.S. government, can you tell us who the CIA will kill next, even you are not part of the government or benefit from the booty. Edited by jibreel |
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Jenni
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Whisper, come on, all Terrorists are an American Invention? Take some
responsibility that some few Muslims do commit violent acts of terror.
If they can pratice genital mutilation on thier daughters, kill thier
sisters for honor by slitting thier throats, or gang rape a woman on
tribal orders, than why wouldn't they blow up a bus or a shia mosque.
As a Muslim I don't believe that all Muslims are so religious and
angelic that they could never commit a terrorist act. This is not an
east west issue, some muslims do not value an innocent life of another
muslim any more than a wester force and that is the sad truth.(p.s. I
believe most 98% of muslims are fairly good but the other 2% scare me!)
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You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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jibreel
Senior Member Joined: 20 July 2005 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 263 |
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Your correct whisper, my fault of confusing that post with all the crazy other ones here by the infidels., but no need to ask if english is my first language, when quoting here the texts get sloppy to read at times., i left the text the way i see it above this time as a example. Peace |
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nico
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I understand this Nico. However, those that do consider themselves Muslims - or the majority of the 1 billion Muslims - ought to be right worried about this, wouldn't you say? Most assuredly... Apparently anyone that even casts a glance at the West can be killed? Even worse, those who oppose their view of the religion is in their opinion "takfir" once they decleare someone "takfir" they can be killed. Thankfully a Fatwa was created by learned scholars in Jordan lately saying that no Muslim can ever be called "Takfir" thus the extremists have lost one of their greatest weapons of terror. Why don't we saw off OBLs head for using a Western satellite phone - or let's get Zarqawi to do it? What a bunch of idiotic death cultism...kill everybody, they foam and drool.. Bc according to the ideology they follow it is ok to use Western goods,and technology as they know that if they don't they will not have a fighting chance. Western Tech is not against Islam, it is how it is used which is. I was talking to her, she isn't wrong per se...she's only 20 years too late as her conspiracy theory existed in Afghanistan in the 80's. Muslims in general. Bleating these ridiculous conspiracy theories causes more problems then it solves as by ignoring the problems and blaming other for the faults of their own civilization they will NEVER fix their situation and they will live in. But I must say it would sound like a great spy novel. |
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Whisper
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Brother Jibreel, if you don't mind, may I ask you just one question; is English your first language? If you read the post a bit carefully Bruce would have committed hirakiri after reading it. I feel, you could not understand a mature Writers pen here. |
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jibreel
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So why do they support the terrorists with the nukes instead? or it is a language barrier for them and they can not tolerate a understanding., very self deceiving and basically, hypocrisy P.S. i re-edited this because i confused it with another post here. Edited by jibreel |
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Colin
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Good post Duende.
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Duende
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Bruce, the problem for Muslims today is that Alqaida and other
fundamentalist groups actually make some sense. There are aspects of their beliefs and aims (not their methods) which most muslims can identify with and actually say, I agree. You see, there is rarely anything in life which is straightforward and �black or white�. There are many shades in between, and many opportunities to misinterpret, misunderstand and mistake. In fact, most terrorist groups of whatever political or religious colour have some points in their ideology which even their opponents admit can be discussed. I do not admire nor support any terrorist groups, neither do I support nor admire those who engage them with violence. What point are you trying to gain by showing us how Alqaida kill muslims? Do you expect all participants in the forum to swoon with disbelief and denounce this? These are the acts of terrorists. What do you expect, some sort of unspoken code of decency? Unfortunately shooting in the back and killing children are not exclusively terrorist practises, pointing out these acts doesn�t make Alqaida appear any more ghastly than we already know them to be. You are a profoundly patriotic American who sincerely wants to show everybody (especially muslims, why else are you participating so busily here,) how great and good you think America is. I am afraid your efforts are wasted, since lately the world has had the veil lifted from its eyes, and we have seen how America flaunts international justice and plain LIED in order to invade Iraq. I say there is nothing wrong with you being profoundly patriotic, out of kindness. I have never found myself feeling such a thing, it is impossible for me to equate my self and identity with �nationhood�. I have never been subjected to any kind of indoctrination as to national identity, in America this kind of indoctrination begins at home. You may have noticed on this forum that a sense of nationhood and patriotism are not Muslim traits. Brotherhood and a more global sense of belonging to a community are. Many people, both Muslims and non-Muslims think America�s actions have largely contributed to the existence of fundamentalist ideologies. That doesn�t mean we support terrorism, we just wish America would stop intervening at this point in time. You are having a hard time persuading people that America is the best democracy in the world. It is impossible for you to gauge just how badly damaged America�s image is outside its territory, not just across the Muslim world. And no amount of reminders of past glories, denouncements of current evil-doers, nor endorsements of democratic checks and balances can help this now. We know the Bush administration tried to rig the iraq elections. It is impossible for us to accept the mighty U.S army and its �intelligence� could not find Osama Bin Laden (I have a suspicion he�s alive and well and working in a Starbucks in Portland �.) We suspect we have been consistently deceived as to the real efficacy of said army and �intelligence�. And since the U.S administration is so prone to deception, well what view can we form of the rest of the nation? |
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