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Jenni,

Islam is a religion, as a religion is Judaism or Christianity,
All 3 faiths trace back to Abraham (PBUH), who existed before Hebrew
was ever spoken or written., and Abraham (PBUH) was not a Jew or
Christian, but a Muslim who bowed down like those who bow.

You can not judge a religion by the people, you can however judge a
devoted believer by there religion, but you have to first be a scholar or a
practitioner to do that and your are not., this comes off bias.

On the other hand, to be a american citizen does not have anything to do
with religion, like where as in Israel, you have to be Jewish and religion
gets exploited, even though the U.S. has some of the most radical hate
groups on the planet like the KKK, ex Nazis for the government., zionists
and who ever has the cash to live there as long as they abide by some
basic rules., which can be broken if you can afford to pressure those they
hate and blame for there countries problems.

So do not confuse Islam with other countries like Israel, you can be from
any faith and live in a islamic country.,also Muslims are from every part of
the globe ..

The U.S. adapted Islamic teachings, like the freedom of speech, equal
rights but yet has failed to use them in practice more then any other
western nation that has been influenced by Islam's solutions to peace in
society, respect for woman and arts & science for a few examples.

**But to get to the point, a Muslim is a person like anyone else but who
rather wants to submit to rules ALLAH (God) had promised mankind in
the Torah and the Qur'an., so we submit to these rules rather then our
desires.

Everyone is tempted by there desires, and everyone tastes sins which
bring sick consequences to a individuals soul and being., all religions
teach this.

**A muslim can not commit a violent act on his own, if he does he
submitted to his own desires and there are consequences., and most of
all, they could not then be Muslim in this case.

**HOWEVER, a muslim has fight only if attacked, or go to fight if there is
clear proof of tyranny and oppressors that come to attack another
nation., like the U.S. has in Iraq and Afghanistan, and worst off
(TYRANTS) who will stop at nothing for there self interests and kill others
anyway, THEN IT IS ALSO NOT MUSLIM TO STAND BY AND WATCH
MURDERS.

**This brings us to the point that if even Israel was attacked by the U.S.,
and Islam has proof that its all oppression, muslims would step in to
fight, and the same for the Christian Faith,
---> Islam prohibits attacks on believers PERIOD, and or especially
innocent people un armed, if this does not sound fare to you, then you
clearly have a problem with living amongst others in Peace., especially
when they where never a threat to you.

**So to finish this of, Islam does not call wars on anyone, but what do you
do if they come to you, your country, your house, your forums to spread
there own ideology without understanding Islam., and attack you or
others by killing, the killing of innocent peoples by the bombings the
U.S. have carried out in Afghanistan years before 9/11.?

**Bush did not stop 9/11 or a war, because the war already started before
9/11, the CIA (his DADDY) just never told you about it, and today they are
more afraid then you think about a revolution if the people really found
out how they have been exploited, not only U.S. citizens but innocent
lives lost everywhere over oil profits.

So there is always two sides to every story.
I can not tell you if this will stop because it already started and its
heading towards a bigger problem as G.W. Bush put it, like that "New
World Order" speech he gave a few times recently.

The "New World Order" was written by Hitler, as well as the "homeland
security gestapo system" that terrorized the Germans to actually believing
all the propaganda about the Jews, so ethnic cleansing is what Bush wants
people to believe little by little and we know how ignorant that ideology
is.

We already see police arresting black children like tat 9 year old girl on
video, Michael Jackson in court while the new Pope has a child abuse case
and a nazi past behind him., but what else is new from the U.S.
government, can you tell us who the CIA will kill next, even you are not
part of the government or benefit from the booty.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jenni Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2005 at 12:31pm
Whisper, come on, all Terrorists are an American Invention? Take some responsibility that some few Muslims do commit violent acts of terror. If they can pratice genital mutilation on thier daughters, kill thier sisters for honor by slitting thier throats, or gang rape a woman on tribal orders, than why wouldn't they blow up a bus or a shia mosque. As a Muslim I don't believe that all Muslims are so religious and angelic that they could never commit a terrorist act. This is not an east west issue, some muslims do not value an innocent life of another muslim any more than a wester force and that is the sad truth.(p.s. I believe most 98% of muslims are fairly good but the other 2% scare me!)
You cant be a good muslim if you are not decent and have a cold heart. Be a decent and kind person and care for women and children and the elderly.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jibreel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2005 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"
color=#993300 size=3>Brother Jibreel, if you don't mind, may I ask you
just one question; is English your first language?


<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#993300 size=3>If you read
the post a bit carefully Bruce would have committed hirakiri after reading
it.


<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#993300 size=3>I feel, you
could not understand a mature Writers pen here.



Your correct whisper,

my fault of confusing that post with all the crazy other ones here by the
infidels.,

but no need to ask if english is my first language, when quoting here the
texts get sloppy to read at times., i left the text the way i see it above this
time as a example.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nico Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2005 at 9:22am

I understand this Nico. However, those that do consider themselves Muslims - or the majority of the 1 billion Muslims - ought to be right worried about this, wouldn't you say?

Most assuredly...

Apparently anyone that even casts a glance at the West can be killed?

Even worse, those who oppose their view of the religion is in their opinion "takfir" once they decleare someone "takfir" they can be killed. Thankfully a Fatwa was created by learned scholars in Jordan lately saying that no Muslim can ever be called "Takfir" thus the extremists have lost one of their greatest weapons of terror.

Why don't we saw off OBLs head for using a Western satellite phone - or let's get Zarqawi to do it? What a bunch of idiotic death cultism...kill everybody, they foam and drool..

Bc according to the ideology they follow it is ok to use Western goods,and technology as they know that if they don't they will not have a fighting chance. Western Tech is not against Islam, it is how it is used which is.

As to conpiracy theories, I'm referring to jibreel's discussion of the supposed continuing alliance between the CIA, AQ and OBL...

I was talking to her, she isn't wrong per se...she's only 20 years too late as her conspiracy theory existed in Afghanistan in the 80's. Muslims in general. Bleating these ridiculous conspiracy theories causes more problems then it solves as by ignoring the problems and blaming other for the faults of their own civilization they will NEVER fix their situation and they will live in. But I must say it would sound like a great spy novel.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Whisper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 July 2005 at 7:26am

Brother Jibreel, if you don't mind, may I ask you just one question; is English your first language?

If you read the post a bit carefully Bruce would have committed hirakiri after reading it.

I feel, you could not understand a mature Writers pen here.

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Originally posted by Duende Duende wrote:

Bruce, the problem for Muslims today is that Alqaida
and
other fundamentalist groups actually make some sense.

In fact, most terrorist groups of whatever political or religious colour
have some points in their ideology which even their opponents admit
can be discussed. I do not admire nor support any terrorist groups,
neither do I support nor admire those who engage them with violence.
And since the U.S administration is so prone to deception, well what
view can we form of the rest of the nation?


So why do they support the terrorists with the nukes instead?
or it is a language barrier for them and they can not tolerate a
understanding., very self deceiving and basically, hypocrisy

P.S.
i re-edited this because i confused it with another post here.


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Good post Duende.
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Bruce, the problem for Muslims today is that Alqaida and other
fundamentalist groups actually make some sense. There are aspects
of their beliefs and aims (not their methods) which most muslims can
identify with and actually say, I agree. You see, there is rarely
anything in life which is straightforward and �black or white�. There
are many shades in between, and many opportunities to
misinterpret, misunderstand and mistake. In fact, most terrorist
groups of whatever political or religious colour have some points in
their ideology which even their opponents admit can be discussed. I
do not admire nor support any terrorist groups, neither do I support
nor admire those who engage them with violence. What point are you
trying to gain by showing us how Alqaida kill muslims? Do you
expect all participants in the forum to swoon with disbelief and
denounce this? These are the acts of terrorists. What do you expect,
some sort of unspoken code of decency? Unfortunately shooting in
the back and killing children are not exclusively terrorist practises,
pointing out these acts doesn�t make Alqaida appear any more
ghastly than we already know them to be. You are a profoundly
patriotic American who sincerely wants to show everybody (especially
muslims, why else are you participating so busily here,) how great
and good you think America is. I am afraid your efforts are wasted,
since lately the world has had the veil lifted from its eyes, and we
have seen how America flaunts international justice and plain LIED in
order to invade Iraq. I say there is nothing wrong with you being
profoundly patriotic, out of kindness. I have never found myself
feeling such a thing, it is impossible for me to equate my self and
identity with �nationhood�. I have never been subjected to any kind of
indoctrination as to national identity, in America this kind of
indoctrination begins at home. You may have noticed on this forum
that a sense of nationhood and patriotism are not Muslim traits.
Brotherhood and a more global sense of belonging to a community
are. Many people, both Muslims and non-Muslims think America�s
actions have largely contributed to the existence of fundamentalist
ideologies. That doesn�t mean we support terrorism, we just wish
America would stop intervening at this point in time. You are having
a hard time persuading people that America is the best democracy in
the world. It is impossible for you to gauge just how badly damaged
America�s image is outside its territory, not just across the Muslim
world. And no amount of reminders of past glories, denouncements
of current evil-doers, nor endorsements of democratic checks and
balances can help this now. We know the Bush administration tried to
rig the iraq elections. It is impossible for us to accept the mighty U.S
army and its �intelligence� could not find Osama Bin Laden (I have a
suspicion he�s alive and well and working in a Starbucks in Portland
�.) We suspect we have been consistently deceived as to the real
efficacy of said army and �intelligence�. And since the U.S
administration is so prone to deception, well what view can we form
of the rest of the nation?
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