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As Salamu Alaikum sis Martha Smile
 
Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

'When under different context, a hadith contradicts with Qur'an, we are taught to take up Quran. Okay !! '

I don't know which is a good hadith or not. Am I just supposed to rely and trust on people ? .
 
Its easy to recongnise if a hadith is authentic or not. Sister, insha Allah, shall send you how to see the authenticity of hadith.
 
And if the Quran is complete then I still don't see we need anything else
 
Sister, not all the Qur'an {word-word} shud be understood by hadith. To get proper and good understanding of few ayaat from Qur'an, hadith is needed. Kindly note sister that by following hadith we are infact obeying the command of Allah from Qur'an

Sure, Muhammed(pbuh) left us his example..we should try to follow that, but this is completely different to following the commandments of Allah.

All scholars are different. There should be no sects in Islam. Isn't that so?
Not all scholars are different sis. Anyways, yes there shud be no sect in Islam. We are not accountable to Allah swt based on the sect we belong to. Infact Allah swt commanded us in Qur'an that we shud not get divided into sects. Prophet Muhammad {pbuh} in his farewell speech said that he is leaving two things to us and we are to hold them. Else we get divided. The two things mentioned were - Qur'an and Sunnah.
 

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Originally posted by martha martha wrote:

'When under different context, a hadith contradicts with Qur'an, we are taught to take up Quran. Okay !! '
 
 

There is NO contradiction between Hadith and Quraan AT ALL. WE say this when our weak knowledge do not really understand. So this just appears to some with LACK of good knowledge to see the relation between a certain aya and hadith.

 

 Hey sister!! be sure I do not mean you with anything here. I am just telling about the whole issue in general,, so smileSmile


  I don't know which is a good hadith or not.
 
 This is what you need to learn from the BOOKS of the SAHEEH (strong) hadithes. The previous scholars/sahabah did the whole work for us. WE just need to study it with souls.
  
 Am I just supposed to rely and trust on people ?
These are not any people who talked without knowledge like many of us, these days. These learned and spent lives in this then talked. These published the main resources about the knowledge of FULL understanding of Islamic studies and history. 
 
  And if the Quran is complete then I still don't see we need anything else.
 
 THis is the narrow mind/way of thinking. We need (Quraan+hadith+books of Islamic knwoldge) to understnad the religion FULLY. Sister we need to understnad Islam FULLY not ONLY Quraan!!!!!
 
  Sure, Muhammed(pbuh) left us his example..we should try to follow that, but this is completely different to following the commandments of Allah.
 
 NOT ATT ALL.
 
  EVERYTHING FROM THE MESSENGER صلى الله عليه و سلم   HE TOOK FROM ALLAH. He did not lie to us or add accoring to his desires.  Allah joined these two in Quraan in many verses.. Allah said: OBEY ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER. And another Aya says: He who obeys the messsnger of Allah, means He obeys Allah.

All scholars are different. There should be no sects in Islam. Isn't that so?
 
 Do not worry your head with this dieffernce among scholars. They differ accoridng to their levels of knowledge, their way of understanding, the Sahbah they took from and many other things. BUT WE as we all not scholars, we just follow them. SO get rid of this idea that gives you headache, cause we all are not their level of knowldge nor the level to judge and see who has the strongest proof.. so, just stcik to a good ONE scholar and take from him, then Allah will be pleased on you and aceept that you took His religion from his people..
 
 
 Allah Hafiz
 With my love and respect to sister MarthaStar
 


Edited by Full of Hopes - 21 February 2010 at 5:09pm
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'When under different context, a hadith contradicts with Qur'an, we are taught to take up Quran. Okay !! '

I don't know which is a good hadith or not. Am I just supposed to rely and trust on people ? And if the Quran is complete then I still don't see we need anything else.
Sure, Muhammed(pbuh) left us his example..we should try to follow that, but this is completely different to following the commandments of Allah.

All scholars are different. There should be no sects in Islam. Isn't that so?

some of us are a lot like cement:- all mixed up and permanently set
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 بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

 

اللهم صلي على نبيا محمد و على آله و صحبه و سلم

 

  OK, Haris: I was not here but I saw that you leave the questions without answers and be back to your wrong point that we want to say Quraan is incomplete, please answer the questions logically one by one and do not ignore them.

 

   1- The difference is that we believe that this Quraan is the best book and the complete and the never changed. BUT Quraan tells us that we MUST FOLLOW the messenger of Allah, we followed it, so that we got the full understanding of our religion. While you say you stick to Quraan then pick what you like and reject what doesn't go with your theory. It is not the book that we understand ONLY, it is the whole religion that we need to understand.

 

  2- Let me tell you something in the Arabic language since called: Balagha and Eijaz: if you describe a script with this, it means that the author is VERY skillful, that he can say many meanings in a VERY few strong words. This is the word and the case for Quraan.

  Allah wanted for this Quraan to be in BRIEF and in a VERY strong language.

   In all 23years, we have just around 600pages!!

   Then this Quraan was not revealed at once. Just together. NO.. It was revealed according to the need and events in the life of the best people in the world. So that, they kept the aya with the event from the hadith. Then you must be not know any reason for the revealing of Quraan!!

 

   Then Allah told us: this prophet peace be upon him, is with us to explain to us the book. The word: يبين  means to show and make it clear.   

 

  Because Allah wanted for the Quraan to be a VERY brief but STRONG. It is NOT a book of details as it was a challenge for the Arabs at that time. They used to have the STRONGEST language and use to compete who can say the very many meanings with very few words. And now you see, so many meanings and rules can be taken from a one line very short aya. How can we get those meanings of this so STRONG and BREIF language if we are narrow minded? Where did you get their meanings from?

 If you reject the prophet's صلى الله عليه و سلم  explanation, then you accept other human ignorant people explanations!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 Allah is GREAT!! You say lies to hadith and then you take explanation of Quraan from other sources. Then do not explain.. just understand!!!!!!!!

  

 3- And, those scholars that you said wrote hadith started from the Sahabah, then millions of SCHOLARS worked so hard on Hadith. They spent their lives even to tell people about the lying narrators and the good ones. If the whole Umma during the best previous time accept this and agreed on them, then, how can we come in the poor time, far form the strong pure Arabic language they used to have!!! when we see Muslims with no knowledge!!! And with weak Imaan!!! Then reject what those first people who gave their lives to do!!! They used to travel the miles and miles just to take a VERY short one line hadith!!! Then comes the poor and say they lied!!and reject what those best ALL agreed on.

 

 3- The hadithes told about the signs of the last day and they all appeared.. then how can this happen if it is just lies.

 

 4- The hadith told us about some good benefits and dangers of things then the new science discover this just now, then how can this be happen?

 

 5- We took the way to pray, the money to pay for Zakah, and many others things, you need to read my article again to see. How do you reply to this. Again here not through PMs.

 

 BUT: You do not answer the questions. You just  go around in circles and run from the questions with general sentences.  How come!! you believe in Quaarn, the Quraan says follow the prophet, peace be upon him????

 Then you need more opened mind and knowledge in Quraan, cause this understanding will drive you away from it and not close to it. Brother study Arabic as well, VERY well, this will help you more.

   YOu think it is good to reject hadith and that it will make you stronger while in fact it will just make you ignornt about your religion. Confused 
 
  And please do us this favor pick all our questions and with numbers answer everyone, especially those of brother Peacemaker and sister Seekshidayath.

 

 

 



Edited by Full of Hopes - 21 February 2010 at 9:46am
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Don't try to be clever Haris.I want direct answers to all of my questions ?

Quran is the final and complete revelation of Allah swt, revealed over Prophet Muhammad. Hope this is loud and clear to you.

By following the sunnah, i.e the way and sayings of Prophet Muhammad {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam}, am following the command of Allah swt. Hope even this is clear.

When under different context, a hadith contradicts with Qur'an, we are taught to take up Quran. Okay !!

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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Peace,
 
Nowhere at this forum, did we members say that Quran is incomplete.
 
Yes neither did u say that its complete and fully detailed.You keep saying that the Quran is complete but needs Hadith to explain it.How does that make Quran complete perfect and FULLY DETAILED as GOD claims it to be?You are simply contradicting urself when u keep repeating it.This is why i asked to make a declaration,a clear stand.The choices or positions that u can take are only two.One that the Quran is perfect,complete and fully detailed or the Second being that the Quran is not perfect,complete or fully detailed without the Hadith.There is no middle position,no IFs or BUTs.Once you make your position on this matter clear to everyone here,i will certainly take the effort to answer all your questions one by one FROM the QURAN ALONE.
 
How do you know that its Mena ? Hadith said that. Okay !!
 
You probably need to go back on the pages and check my posts.I have clearly stated what the reasons are for Quran not specifying certain rituals in Islam.This is more than the third time that im requesting you to read it and then question.Plus the question that u have put up again contradicts your stand(which im very doubtful about) that the Quran is complete and fully detailed.
 
FYI Hadith was not written down by the Prophet.They were written down by ppl(scholars as u wud call them) more than a 100 years after his death claiming he said this and that.There are many contradictions in the Hadiths.Some of them which were considered authentic are now weak or false hadiths.How does that make the Hadith a reliable source of LAW?
 
We did not ask anyone to uphold Allah's law, or take any idol.
 
Well thank you very muchClap.This is exactly what i was saying.You are not asking anyone to uphold Allah's law but uphold laws never authorized by him Smile. 
 
Peace!
 
ONE GOD ONE SOURCE OF LAW!
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About what you posted in your recent posts, let me tell you i shall not interpret your understanding. That's totally your analysis.

Nowhere at this forum, did we members say that Quran is incomplete.The contents of the sunnah are also from Allah. Hence they have described it as also being the result of some form of inspiration.Sayings of Prophet Sallal lahu alayhi wa sallam were from Allah swt. Sunnah is further explanation / detailed explanation of Qur'an. When Ayesha RA was asked about personification of Prophet, she said he was a walking Qur'an.This indicates that Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) gave further explanation of the Qur’an with what he said or did during his lifetime. For example, the Qur’an mentions prayer and the Hadith or the Sunnah shows Muslims how and when to do it. Likewise, Hajj, and all the questions we posed you at this thread, get answered, only when we study hadith.

Take your own post ;

You said : The visit to Mena is mentioned in the following verse:

"You shall commemorate God for a number of days (in Mena). Whoever who hastens to do this in two days commits no sin, and whoever stays longer commits no sin, as long as righteousness is maintained." 2:203

How do you know that its Mena ? Hadith said that. Okay !!

You said ;

2:198:

"When you file from `Arafat, you shall commemorate GOD at the Sacred Location (of Muzdalifah)."

How did you conclude that the sacred location is Muzdalifah ? Ayat does n't clearly tells us that its Muzdalifah, right ? Hadith explains us that, which you mentioned in the brackets

All the three ayaat you posted in your post are simply out of context. We did not ask anyone to uphold Allah's law, or take any idol ---

Hope its clear to you.



Edited by seekshidayath - 19 February 2010 at 3:19am
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As Salamu Alaikum

That was not the answer to my questions we had been posting since last week

Allâh also says, "You have a good model in the Messenger of Allâh for one who hopes for Allâh and the Last Day."

Answer this simple question :

How shud one take Prophet {sallal lahu alayhi wasallam} as a model ?

Now next :

"If you quarrel over something, then refer it back to Allâh and His Messenger," (4:58)

How shud one refer back to messenger, as commanded at the ayah above ?






Edited by seekshidayath - 19 February 2010 at 3:14am
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