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    Posted: 21 November 2009 at 11:58pm
Salam,
 
you have all rights to seperate from him but if u wanna save this marraige for your children and allah subhana taalaa,plz do it,again you have to make your mind and forget bad memories and think of all the good times u had,
 
again dont force yourself,you have all rights to be respected and be protected,keep your side safe and inform all the agencies required to be invlolved and take protection from them,also ask your husband to see a psyciatrist it will help him and if possible,you can also take some counselling for your peace of mind,do a lot of zikar,
 
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ya badeeul ajaibi bil khairi ya badeeu
 
allah wil help u.
 
again if u think u can have a good life partner for you and a good father for your children you may seperate,but if not than reunite can be considered,
 
sister its all your decision,i think allah has given you all rights to decide for your self,if you want to apart u may no sin on you.but if you will reunite for the sake of allah,allah will bless.
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Salams,May Allah Help him,May Allah Help you,May Allah make you both better for the next time you get married(InshAllah).Alhamduillah!We are able to have a second chance. InshAllah Ta ala
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walaikum asalaam sister,
I am pleased you came back to reply.
I hope all goes well for you.
Allah will bless you as you remain faithful to Him and insha'allah you will be reunited with your children soon.
We will say du'as for you.

Edited by martha - 17 November 2009 at 2:07pm
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Assalam alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

Jazakum Allahu khairan for all the kind souls who replied to my query in my time of need.

I have met with my husband recently. Ironically, I do believe he has come to his senses and made sincere tawbah to Allah SWT. I believe with counselling (which he is undergoing) he can and inshaAllah will turn his life around.

However, I do not wish to remain his wife, simply because the memories of what he did are very powerful, and I no longer have any respect for him. I cannot stay with someone I do not respect.

Please continue to make du'a for me, that Allah SWT guides me on the path to gain His SWT satisfaction. I only fear Him SWT and wish to gain His SWT Mercy on the Last Day.

Wassalam
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Aslaam Alaikum Sister,

i am sorry you are going through this.  You need to trust your gut instinct.

Abuayisha has shown you several hadiths.  Divorce is of course not encouraged but we DO have the right to not be married to people who are either or both  bad for us or a danger to us. You cna forrgive anyone for anything, but that has absolutely no bearing on who you deicde to marry or live with.

For him to say sounds manipulative. Why would he want to force someone to be with him who does not want to??? 

My duas for you.

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As divorce without any rhyme or reason is most detrimental, similarly seeking Khula without any solid ground is most detestable in the eyes of Shariah. A tradition of the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) says: �The woman who demands divorce from her husband without having any ground, will be deprived of the fragrance of Heaven.� (Bukhari)
However, if there is any reasonable ground, securing Khula is permissible and there is no hitch about it. Another Hadith says: �The wife of Thabit Bin Qais went to the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) and said to him: �Messenger of Allah, I dislike Thabit the most. I do not level any charge against his faith or morals; but I fear that living with him may plunge me into Kufr.� The Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) asked her whether she would return the garden which he (Thabit) had given her as Mahr. To which she replied in the affirmative. Then he (the Prophet) asked Thabit Bin Qais to get the garden back and divorce her.� (Bukhari)
Another case of Khula relating to the same Thabit Bin Qais is reported thus: �Thabit Bin Qais beat his wife Jameelah. She (Jameelah) or, according to another report, her brother complained to the Noble Prophet (peace be upon him) against him. He (the Prophet) sent for Thabit and told him to take the Mahr back and divorce his wife.� (Nasai)
 
Never return, and if you are able seek criminal charges also.
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Walaikum asalaam sister,
Are you obliged to return to your husband? Quite simply..NO!

As muslim you can forgive him if you wish.
You have explained your situation very well in one post.
You are in a woman's refuge. That in itself shows that you have support from the authorities.

I expect you know this website?

http://www.womensaid.org.uk/domestic-violence-articles.asp?itemid=1298&itemTitle=Support+for+survivors%3A+popular+questions+about+domestic+violence§ion=00010001002200410001§ionTitle=Articles%3A+domestic+violence#4

I would also imagine you have seen a counsellor from Victim Support. If not then do so. And that the abuse has been reported to the police?

Your husband could be seen as having anti-social personality disorder.

'This diagnosis is characterised by a lack of regard for the rights and feelings of other people, and a lack of remorse for actions that may hurt others. People with this diagnosis frequently ignore social norms about acceptable behaviour, and often may disregard rules and break the law.'

You could look into this type of behaviour and see if your husband fits into it.

Domestic Abuse is the following
1/ physical ( you have experienced this)
2/emotional/mental (        "               )
3/sexual
4/financial

Remorse from the adult is shortlived. Promises mean NOTHING as they are likely to return to the same type of behaviour.

Your husband could be feeling embarassed within the muslim community. THat is not a reason to take him back.
Does he have your best interests at heart then? Or is he thinking of himself?

Do NOT be fooled. Only you can tell if you want to return to the situation. But note, you have made a GOOD decision to leave, next time it would not be so easy.

He will make you feel guilty. He will make you say it is 'all your fault'. He will make you say you are suffering from a mental problem. Abusers say this, but evidence shows that depressed people are the abused and not the abusers.

Sister, I may be repeating what other professionals have already told you.

So consider everything.
1/ advice from the professionals- they know best
2/ look at the facts-he will not likely change
3/ a GOOD muslim husband does NOT treat his wife like this
4/ get support from your GP for depression as you are likely to feel low and responsible for his behaviour towards you( don't feel about about your low mood..it will get better)
5/ get the authorities to help you get your kids back
6/ YOU are not mad
7/ Go for mental health counselling- it will help you see more clearly
8/ rely on emotional support from YOUR family
9/ if the muslim community do not understand, do not assist you if your financially need it, tell you that it is your duty to obey your husband...then look to your heart, pray harder to Allah, as HE will be the ONLY one who will guide you. Keep your religion but remember that not all people understand Islam and rely more on 'cultural norms'.

Try not to complicate Islamic issues. Think of the Prophet(pbuH) Would he have been cruel to his wife/wives? That is all you need to consider to come to your decision. Anything else will only confuse you at this stage. Think of your children. DO they deserve to stay with a manipulative father? As he will likely do the same to them.

Sister, are you a revert? Is it a mixed marriage? You sound of English nationality.

PLEASE pm me if you need my help.
WHy am I SO concerned for your welfare?
I have been through this myself this year.

YOU ARE DOING GREAT! PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE YOU BUT YOU MUST STAY STRONG.

ONE MORE THING.CONSIDER GETTING A NON-MOLESTATION ORDER AGAINST YOUR HUSBAND SO HE DOES NOT HAVE CONTACT WITH YOU. AS YOU ARE IN A REFUGE HE ALREADY DOES NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE YOU ARE. YOU SHOULD HAVE HELPERS IN THE REFUGE TO HELP YOU WITH ALL MATTERS. STAY STRONG AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF.
GOOD LUCK.
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Dear UmmImyou,

I am not even Muslim, but learning and going for classes, and I have a question: can you define his past behaviour has a husband behaviour? A man should protect his wife, take care of her and the children, make her feel relaxed and protected, and it's not only that he didn't do that, it's also that he did the opposite by abusing of you.

Don't have any doubt that if you go on with your divorce, you will get it. Offer him the forgiveness, fight to get your children with you, but keep away from him.

Normally, I don't want to say that it's always, the husband doesn't change, it's only a tricky and after few months, everything turns back to the abuses. I saw it thousand times, and even sometimes, the end is the death (I am sorry, but as far as you said that he was sometimes using knives to abuse... really, when someone goes on that, I don't know what he may do).

I think that you have received a sign from the destiny to keep you away from him, and that is the end of every good feeling for him. You are sure that you don't want to be with him, so... where is your doubt? Fight for your children, and tell him that he will always be their father, but don't sacrifice yourself for longer time. You already did after so mane years with him.

I will tell you a true story: there was a couple, they were on seventies already, married after 50 years. The husband was everytime abusing his wife, and she was not only keeping the secret (that everyone knew because of the shouts and crying), but defending him in front of everyone.

They got 4 children, who left the house as soon as they started working (let us say they ran away from them). The children, all of them, were trying to take the mother out of the house, but she didn't do. How to leave her husband alone???? No way!!!

So the abuses went on, all kind of abuses.

After few years, one of their daughters got a baby, a girl, and talked to her mother seriously. It seems her mother understood, so she went to a lawyer and asked for divorce. He was so surprised!! She got everything from him, because she was not working and he was receiving good retirement, she stayed in the house, and she started living.

He was trying to come back for I don't know how many times, swearing that he had changed... but his wife is free, and he cannot make any new tricky. She is a new woman since that time. You know, even her external look seems to be other: before, she looked older than she was, and now, it's opposite, she looks younger. She is travelling around Europe, sometimes with all her family... and she says that she wasted most of her life.

So... after time, she received the sign. And it's never too late to stop the abuse, dear. It's always the right moment. Do you want your children to do that with their wives? Or your daughters to find that behaviour in their husbands? So... do you have any doubt?

Mabrook for your freedom, and all the best. Take breath and put a plan for your new life with your children Wink

Patricia
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