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    Posted: 14 June 2005 at 12:48am

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 Indians are outraged at the U.S belief that it can judge people who don't live in America.

To correct myself, Indians felt threatened by the U.S. Americans have often made mischief against others while pretending to help them. Their fears are indeed justified. Considering the desecration of Quran incident in the U.S, it is not sensible to believe U.S will act against the Indians to help the Muslims, rather than to make some mischief against the Indians.



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Asalam walaikum,

I have had that experience.  But I am not a Muslim.  I believe its not an obligation to be a Muslim to have Salvation.  And its not that only Muslims are emancipated(no offence).  According to our Philosophy, Salvation is not an event in time, but a realization.

Allah is just a word.  What matters is the connection.

People say that Quran was said by Allah.  But It had to be written by a man.
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Bharatiya,

Here is some advice to consider, take it or leave it as you please.  When one learns to love Allah above all else (kin, country, etc.) one is opened to the most profound inner peace and joy.  The life of this world is fleeting, Allah and the Hereafter are eternal.

3:185 - Every human being is bound to taste death: but only on the Day of Resurrection will you be requitted in full [for whatever you have done] - where upon he that shall be drawn away from the fire and brought into paradise will indeed have gained a triumph: for the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of self-delusion.

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Brother ZamanH

Originally posted by ZamanH ZamanH wrote:

Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim.




If you feel that I am anti-Muslim, I am really sorry and I cant help it.  I love Islam as much I love my own.  But I love my country, my ancestors more than anything else.
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Bharatiya (or Kumar) whoever you are, c'mon don't fool yourself in to believing you can convince a sensible person that you are not anti-muslim.

 
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Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Originally posted by Nausheen Nausheen wrote:

And why not? Can you please elaborate?

Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation.

Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened?  It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive.

The train was burnt by hindus. They were returnng from a project proving muslims have no social and religious rites in India.

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi.

Good you told that, then why are u fighting when I say I dislike Modi?What is your logic in this? Does this mean its okay if you call Modi bad, but its not okay if I call him bad?

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly".
Can you prove your statement? From which statement of mine can it be inferred that I conodne the killings by Muslims? - Bring the quotes here and prove this against me, otherwise retract your allegation!

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token!  Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith.

When it comes to you seem to be liberal.

Same response as above.

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism.

'hindu' terrorism?  Did you say that?  If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country.

You said "Muslim Terrorism" and you claim to be an Indian .... this is your loyalty to India.  Your injustice towards Muslims. You want to say that the term "Muslim terrorism" is okay.

India is a secular, democratic, republic, not a Hindu country or a muslim country. You have called muslims of India terrorists, and this reflects your desire to live with them in harmony!  

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society?

'unethical practices'?  What are they?

You did not answer my question.

Abortion of female foetus. Burning of a bride for dowry. - these are unethical practices, very common in the country. If there are some people in your country who do not agree to these, what will you say to them? that you wish they dont live in India? And if they are muslims, then you are relieved that they are gone?

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

They are social evils.  They dont have religion.

You tried to give them a garment of religion not I. You said if muslims detest these, you would hope they dont live in Inida anymore.

 
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Originally posted by Nausheen Nausheen wrote:

And why not? Can you please elaborate?

Because you are not living in India, and dont know the situation.

Why do you people talk about Godhra and not talk about why it happened?  It happened because tens of 'hindus' were burnt alive.

Its an isolated incident and I have already told you that everyone hates Mr. Modi.

Its as if saying, "Killing and murdering are Muslim's monopoly".

Quote Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token!  Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith.

When it comes to you seem to be liberal.

Quote It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism.

'hindu' terrorism?  Did you say that?  If you are an Indian, this shows your loyaty towards your country.

Quote ... not being claimed that all muslims are saintly. Calling the spade spade shld not depend on what faith you follow.

Yeah, you are right.

Quote And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society?

'unethical practices'?  What are they?

They are social evils.  They dont have religion.
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Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Aslam walaikum!

Originally posted by Nausheen Nausheen wrote:

and whatever Modi does in his own home is nobody's business!


It may not be nobody's business, but it definitely not your business.

And why not? Can you please elaborate?

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote Even if it is incenerating humans(?) Ridiculous!!

Are you saying that a crime against mankind is somebody's personal business?


What about minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh and various other Islamic Republics?

Those who are commiting crimes against them are all wrong by the same token!  Justice is justice and it shld not discriminate ppl on the basis of religion/faith.

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

WHAT ABOUT ISLAMIC TERRORISM?
It is as bad as Hindu terrorism, or any state-terrorism.

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote Irrespective of what America has done to Muslims, MODI IS NOWHERE NEAR A SAINT! He chose to carry out his crimes openly. ..... now what does he want? Acceptance? Praise? Medals? Or a trip to the USA? He is a shameless, brutal, criminal!

Yes, modi is nowhere a saint.  But even muslims are not saints...

it was not being claimed that all muslims are saintly. Calling the spade spade shld not depend on what faith you follow.

Originally posted by bharatiya bharatiya wrote:

Quote Let me tell all Indians, if there should be outrage against anyone it should be against Modi. Otherwise, beat your wife, burn your daughter-in-law alive, and abort your female foetus, then say ..... sare jahan se achcha hindustaan hamara!!!

If you are from the sub-continent... Hope there are no such muslims like you in India today...

And what is your opinion of Muslims from India who do not like the unethical practices within the society?

Peace.



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