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    Posted: 21 July 2005 at 6:06am

As'Salaamu Alaikum brother MOCKBA,

good post, in addition to what Hadith mentions concerning the latter part, which, I also read in my Hadith today is it true that prior to those good deeds that we act out Allah truly has prescribed our good and bad deeds even before they are acted? I ask this because I interpreted that last Hadith reference but I may be wrong maybe you can give some insight

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Bismillah

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, �Do not view any good act as insignificant, even the act of meeting your brother with a cheerful face� (Muslim).

It is up to Allah to decide which act is significant and which act is not worthy of reward. Let's just do good and hope sincerely that what we do will please Him.

We are also instructed not to consider any deed even if very small as insignificant. It is Allah's Authority to decide which one is significant and which one is not.

On the authority of Ibn Abbas that the messenger of Allah, among the sayings he relates from his Lord is : "Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones." Then he explained it [by saying that] :" He who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed." (related by Bukhari and Muslim)

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Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullah

Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

Hopefully this question does not relate to me in any way I ask merely the possibility that adherent os Islam (even including myself) the possibility that people do good deeds for the rewards of Allah and not out of necessity. Such as some born Muslims who are "culturally Muslim" who do "good" deeds out of habitual culture rather than from the spiritual sincerity which Islam teaches. This is the possibility I am talking about. Perhaps it is not a possibility but reality I guess. What I meant on implying is that we need to teach to both born Muslims and reverting Muslims is that good ethical deeds is neither habitual nor cultural but an act in perennial fashion which reflects the beauty of Islam.

Israfil, what you are talking about is well reflected in hadith that say  rewards are by intentions.

eg, if we wash our hands before eating ... it is good and hygeninc, but along with washing hands, if we bring to mind that this is a sunnah, and therefore, for the love of the prophet, and thru this love for the sake of seeking a good pleasure of allah we wash hands before eating, we can have a reward in this daily habit.

Perhaps you can say that if we want to earn rewards thru our good habits, and action, we should bring to mind a proper intention behind those actions.  This is applicable to all of us, not just born muslims.

Narrated by abu Hurairah (RA) is a hadith [in riyadus salihin] that rasul allah (saw) said, many  in my ummah will be a martyr who will die peacefully in their beds ... which means these are the people who die with a sincere desire in their hearts to be martyrs.

Thus we can imagine how much one is rewarded just by correcting his intentions and reflections of the heart.

Maa salaama,

Nausheen

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MOCKBA:

"it indicates that he has misunderstood the teachings of Islam."

Hopefully this question does not relate to me in any way I ask merely the possibility that adherent os Islam (even including myself) the possibility that people do good deeds for the rewards of Allah and not out of necessity. Such as some born Muslims who are "culturally Muslim" who do "good" deeds out of habitual culture rather than from the spiritual sincerity which Islam teaches. This is the possibility I am talking about. Perhaps it is not a possibility but reality I guess. What I meant on implying is that we need to teach to both born Muslims and reverting Muslims is that good ethical deeds is neither habitual nor cultural but an act in perennial fashion which reflects the beauty of Islam.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MOCKBA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 July 2005 at 9:03pm

Bismillah

Doing a good deed - is pleasing Allah. Therefore, whenever we help someone when they fall, or whenever we remove something obstructive from the road, or whenever we greet someone with a smile - it pleases Allah, provided that we always acknowledge His Lordship above evrything and anyone esle.

When one begins to separate good deeds as some done for the sole pleasure of rewards from Allah and some done out of mere necessity... it indicates that he has misunderstood the teachings of Islam.

 



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MOCKBA point well taken. I guess my stance was the purely analytical one when I hear people say, "Do good deeds to gain the reward of Allah." Which of course is indeed a commandement as aMuslim this is true in every respect. But, what I meant here is that there is good deeds for God and there are necessary good deeds. Sister Nausheen correctly mentions there is no seperation. But let us take into consideration that isn't possible for one to only do something for the sole pleasure of rewards and not out of necessity? For example not only is it pleasurable in the sight of God, but its necessary to help someone up when they fall. The necessity in that is, if the person fell would if they broke a leg or hip? Do we do things because it pleases God and we "know" we'll get rewarded or we do it because it is necessary and it please Allah?

The essence of Allah's command is to do good as goodness is the oreservative of life and shun evil as it is the opposite. We must take into consideration the necessity of doing good and it sustains or world.

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Bismillah

Originally posted by Israfil Israfil wrote:

How can we be judged accordingly if we only do things for the sole pleasure of Allah and not along be sincere about them?

Once you are doing something for the sole pleasure of Allah it is indeed difficult to disconnect it, as sister Nausheen rightly suggested, from sincerity.

Pretense in charity, or intending to show off, is already far from doing it for "the sole pleasure of Allah".

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what sister has mentioned. She encourages her children to try and gain more rewards... and more rewards can be achieved in different ways... doing good, avoiding and abstaining from evil. Sincerity is essential, but nowhere did sister point out its unimportance. It is so basic and clear that more often it does not need additional emphasis.

 



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Assalamu alaikum,

It is vitally important that we instil in our children a deep love for Allah.  Teaching them to do good deeds is necessary, but, teaching them to do them because they love Allah so much and want to please Him is better.

We can quote Qur'an and ahadith endlessly to our kids.  We can tell them they must behave in such a manner because they are Muslims or because we (as parents) say so.  But, unless they have that love for Allah in their hearts, they will always question why they must behave in such and such a manner.  When that love is there, they will behave in such and such a way because they want to, to please Allah.

Making kids behave because society says it must be this way, or because parents say it must be this way, or even because Allah says it must be this way, is not enough.  The love for Allah must be there in order for them to want to behave in a manner pleasing to Him.

It always breaks my heart to see people who were born Muslims but don't follow Islam.  I think this is because their parents failed to instil a love for Allah in the hearts of their children.  Anyone who grows up loving Allah will want to please Him and, therefore, would strive always to be a good Muslim.

I may have just repeated what everyone who posted here already said, sorry.

Peace, ummziba.

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