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Rezz
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Mockba, you asked
Where were we? In London we had the biggest demonstration in our history AGAINST the war in Iraq! Almost two million ordinary men and women came together in London and said �not in our name!�What make you think people who took part in those demonstrations �questioning killing� weren�t murdered by those despicable terrorists on7/7? Were the poor souls who died in London somehow to blame for
being killed? Those filthy cowards TARGETED unarmed, innocent civilians on their way to work
for God's sake! All hope we had of persuading our government to get out of Iraq quickly vanished on 7/7. ***LONDON 7/7*** ---------- |
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Whisper
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Khadija, b'fazle talla, I hold no reasons to hate anyone at all. I just don't follow Dip Low Messy. I am one hundered percent straight. I hold a very sharp and a straight sword for those who slip at the sight of straight simple questions. Please read my posts with questions and then see how some posters dive out of these and start singing something totally irrelevant. Sadly, mostly these posters happen to be Americans in my three years experience of this site. Why should I hate anyone, I had a very loving Full Time mother, plus I am not from a success oriented culture. I hail from a culture where contentment means more than the dollars in your paakket. |
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rocitreal
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I sure think so just ask the families of 911 what they think. If Iraqi's want to fight american soldiers i feel they have that right, but non-Iraqi's invading the country have no more place there, they are not helping anyone. |
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rocitreal
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I dont think self defense is limited to an invasion or fight over the land. If a gang sends someone to kill themselves and my familiy you better bet im going to find him and go after him where ever he is. |
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b95000
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Bruce
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MOCKBA
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The problem is that when western governments drop bombs - the opposing public think it sufficient to wave flags of protest and dance to the music of some anti-war charity pop-show... nevermind that the killing continues. They do the same when they see off their military youth leaving their families behind in order to kill someone else's. When the vicitms of those bombings retaliate (please note that we are not discussing Islam here that Blair is coveniently associating in his campaign) you demand action... you are not satisifed with official statements, you want everything mended, you want every muslim newborn to have a GPS tracking microchip implant and have them monitored 24/7. The filthy cowards are our leaders today. They sit, behind state-of the art security systems, remote control in hand, playing their War In Iraq reality-games... yet having nightmares of possible retaliation. The filthy cowards are suicide bombers who having been inspired by those very murderous leaders decide to go on the extreme by committing horror. The filthy cowards are us, who watch nations bleed to death and instead of ending horror, we search for excuses to approve and let continue... Failure in Israel, as well as failure in Iraq, and entire region is failure of Arab leaders who have prostituted themselves... that's what today's leadership is all about, anyway. This is an unjust war and i dont think any explanations will be found. I regret however that you are "attributing monkey see moneky do" comments to Muslims. You should have attributed these comments to Bush and Blair prior to their invasion of the world and worldviews... I have not touched on the stand of Islam in this post, therefore it will be appreciated if you could abstain from wrongful generalisation.
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Bruce
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MOCKBA
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Bismillah A retaliation, even if it is for an american military boot stepping on the territory of another country, for pointing a gun at an unarmed person and pressing dirty boot against his face to secure him,... there are too many specific instances to retaliate for. (Now don't just go and spin it into "MOCKBA supporting terrorists and approving bombing of London"). You can never stop tracing back the date of who started it first? However, September 11 is not beginning of era to me, as it is to some. As far as your difficult question is concerned. I personally believe that this is all happening primarily as a result of Islam not being reflected in action by Muslims. The leaders have traded Islam for royal thrones, and people have allowed themselves tricked into supporting such move and praising their Kings and Idols. Once people distance themselves from God's commands their destruction (moral, physical, spiritual etc.) is only a matter of time. As far as "just jihad" is concerned, your question is not very clear. I believe in Allah, and if He prescribes jihad, whether reflected in seeking knowledge, restraining myself from evil deeds, earning a living or taking action to protect my family and brethren then i try to obey to the best of my ability. Jihad cannot be unjust... therefore using "just" as an additional emphasis is unnecessary. I undertsand you have launched a separate thread on the subject and there were some very good responses to your enquiry. |
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