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Shasta'sAunt
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Posted: 29 July 2009 at 11:15am |
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The jizyah tax was only for young non-Mulsim men who refused to serve in the military while living under Islamic rule. They were being protected by the military so if they refused to serve, and they had that right, they were taxed.
Unlike the military draft which has been used in the United States and other predominantly Christian countries for centuries, where the young men do not get a choice, they serve or go to prison. Or mandatory service which is used in Israel and other "Christian" countries, where upon your 18th birthday you are automatically expected to report for duty. Failure to do so results in prison or sometimes worse.
I don't understand why Christians always point to the jizyah as something so horrible. Which system is more fair? The option to opt out and pay a tax or forced military service or prison? Let's see, forced to kill or prison, forced to kill or prison.... hmmmmmmmm
I am pretty sure if the U.S. gave the option to pay a tax instead of forced military service during times of war millions of young people would happily do so.
As for threatening death, it wasn't Muslims torturing all those people during the Inquisitions, the witch hunts, etc... The Quran clearly states there is no compulsion in religion, you can't force someone to believe in God. They either do or they don't. Edited by Shasta'sAunt - 29 July 2009 at 11:20am |
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PattyaMainer
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Shasta, the draft in the US was dropped after the Vietnam War in 1973. What we have had since then is an all volunteer military. The military member voluntarily enlist. At age 18 they are required to enroll with the military in the event of an all out war.....then they would bring back the draft and these men could be drafted. Actually, young men and women are enlisting in great numbers in the military. Here are the statistics:
The Department of Defense has announced its recruiting and retention statistics by the active and reserve components for the FY 2006 recruiting year. Active duty recruiting. All services have met or exceeded their recruiting goals for fiscal 2006. Active duty retention. Overall, the active duty services exceeded retention goals across the board. The Army, Air Force and Marine Corps exceeded fiscal 2006 retention goals in every category. The Navy retained in high numbers at the outset of the year, but a focus on physical fitness test performance led to an increase in disqualification among first-term sailors. Reserve forces recruiting. Two of six Reserve components met or exceeded their accession goals for fiscal 2006, while two other Reserve components, the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard were close to making their end of year goals. Although the Army Reserve fell short of its annual accession goal, the U.S. Army Recruiting Command achieved 99+percent of its annual recruiting goal.
It seems apparent that these young folks are willingly joining the US military. There is no draft, but they realize they have an opportunity for obtaining an education, housing, health care, etc., etc. Many members have studied and received college educations while serving in the armed forces. The number of military who are re-enlisting are increasing as well. I hope this offers an explanation showing our young people are in no way forced to join the service.
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Hayfa
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Asalaam Alaikum,
Interesting Akhe, as a woman we did not have to worry about that. The Amish opts out but they do not go to college etc. I am not in favor or war or anything, but certainly there are some men who are not very well suited to the military. |
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As Salamu Alaikum, Hayfa.We'll after reverting to Al Islam at 19 in prison(former N.O.I). I had experienced boot-camp(prison boot camp)it was operated by ex-millitary sergents, leutinants ect and prison gaurds.They used the same tactics of breaking a man down so he can be submissive to their commands.I didnt like it but it was either 90 days of that or 5 more yrs.They make you shave it's was humiliating.
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Shasta'sAunt
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"It seems apparent that these young folks are willingly joining the US military. There is no draft, but they realize they have an opportunity for obtaining an education, housing, health care, etc., etc. Many members have studied and received college educations while serving in the armed forces. The number of military who are re-enlisting are increasing as well. I hope this offers an explanation showing our young people are in no way forced to join the service."
Yes, since the economy crashed the military has been recruiting more, but even they admit they are recruiting "low quality" recruits:
Military Recruiting 2007: Army Misses Benchmarks by Greater Marginhttp://www.nationalpriorities.org/militaryrecruiting2007 And while there is currently not a "draft" the stop loss policy is a draft by default. The only difference being that it penalizes those who have already been unfortunate enough to have to serve in the war zone.
"Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, as one of his first acts in his position, penned a memo compelling commanders to "minimize" the stop-lossing of soldiers....The United States Army states that enlisted soldiers facing stop-loss can now voluntarily separate by request, under provision 3-12, but only after they complete an involuntary deployment of twelve to fifteen months and 90 days stabilization time (time allowed to "out-process" from the military) can they apply. "Despite Secretary Gates's order, by April 2008 use of stop-loss had increased by 43%.[9] Soldiers affected by stop-loss were then serving, on average, an extra 6.6 months, and sergeants through sergeants first class made up 45% of these soldiers. From 2002 through April 2008, 58,300 soldiers were affected by stop-loss, or about 1% of active duty, Reserve, and National Guard troops.[10]" And men are still required to sign up for the Selective Service or face jail time:
"All U.S. male citizens and male aliens are currently required to sign up for the Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. As of 2004, females are not required to register, but there has been some controversy on this subject. If someone fails to register for the Selective Service they can be sent to jail."
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In addition, I also dont understand why 'Jizyah' tax is something bad and how can it be used against Islam? Is not the public supposed to pay tax to the government? Non-muslims seem to think that under shariah, non-muslims are bieng levied with an extra/unfair tax. Which is NOT true, and is SO NOT the case! Reality is - under shariah, non-muslims end up PAYING LESSER taxes than the Muslims, and end up with FEWER financial responsibilities than the Muslims. How? Under complusory financial obligations : Muslims HAVE TO pay Zakat, Ushr, Fitrana. The percentage/amount depends on the amount of wealth the muslim owns. So they end up contributing more to the social welfare fund. Apart from these "taxes" (if that is the correct term)- the Islamic system is such, that on certain Islamic events, Muslims HAVE TO contribute to the society. For example, Eid-ul-Azha, in which the wealthier have to buy and slaughter an animal (goat/sheep/camel/cow etc) and distribute the meat among the less-affluent. Apart from the above compulsory financial obligations. Muslims are supposed to make voluntary contributions as well, known as 'Sadaqah'. (which Allah Himself says in the Qur'an, is a 'Loan to Allah', which He will repay us many folds. SubhanAllah) Muslims are even supposed to contribute in times of Jihaad (war), both financially and in terms of life. This becomes a fard-e-kifayah when the situation occurs, i.e. becomes obligatory on the community to perform. Nonmuslims are EXEMPTED from all the above financial responsibilities. . . . . Since they do not believe in Islam, they are not at all obliged to follow its tenets. Which is why, the ONLY taxes they pay are either Jizyah (which is in turn used ON THEIR OWN welfare & protection) . . . OR anyother secular form of tax, which the government may levy (Which btw, Muslims have to pay as well. Since secular taxes are levied on everyone regardless of religion) Nonmuslim problems with Jizyah are again a simple, stereotypical result of ignorance towards Islam - and illogical hatred/fear. Edited by Chrysalis - 31 July 2009 at 4:57am |
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Truth about the jizya...
From the Tafsir Ibn Kathir:
Quran 9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Allah said, until they pay the Jizyah, if they do not choose to embrace Islam, with willing submission, in defeat and subservience, and feel themselves subdued, disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.
From the Tanw�r al-Miqb�s min Tafs�r Ibn �Abb�s
[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture, the Jews and Christians, as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor in the bliss of Paradise, and forbid not, in the Torah, that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, do not submit themselves to Allah through confession of Allah's divine Oneness, until they pay the tribute readily, standing: from hand to hand, being brought low, abased. |
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