IS MOHAMMED A DESCENDENT OF ISHMAEL? |
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Akhe Abdullah
Senior Member Male Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1252 |
Posted: 08 August 2009 at 1:48pm | |||||||||||||
Salams,Nur.Correct me if im wrong but I use to think that it was common Knowledge that everyone in the Middle Eastern Region at lest back then are or were descendents of Ishmail or Jacob(i.e Arabs and Jews)
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Shibboleth
Guest Group Joined: 06 August 2009 Status: Offline Points: 281 |
Posted: 08 August 2009 at 8:33pm | |||||||||||||
Thus, the
Ishmaelites as a race were originally predominantly Egyptian not Arabian, not
Jewish. According to Islamic sources that came many, many years later unfortunately
tells otherwise. Their range of camping sites at times took them near |
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Akhe Abdullah
Senior Member Male Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1252 |
Posted: 09 August 2009 at 12:53pm | |||||||||||||
Salams,Shibboleth.May Allah Reward you for your efforts.We can argue who is from where all day,but what is the point it seemes that your real objection is to decredit Islam and the Qur'an,I thught you were different shame on me.The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) never put emphasis on his ansestry and neigther should any Muslim. Muhammad(SAW) would say that He is Muslim first.
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Akhe Abdullah
Senior Member Male Joined: 19 November 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1252 |
Posted: 09 August 2009 at 12:59pm | |||||||||||||
Pronunciation: \-nənt-lē\ Function: adverb Date: 1681 : for the most part : mainly This doesnt mean not or none at all or no where else as you quoted.For further reffernces concerning the Hadith of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), some are concidered to be weak.the study of Ahadith is a science.If you find one that says one thing from one book whose book and who said it and how reliable is the source of info and if there are many books how many say the same thing and how many dont. [IMG]smileys/smiley2.gif" align="middle" /> Edited by Akhe Abdullah - 09 August 2009 at 1:14pm |
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Nur_Ilahi
Senior Member Joined: 19 January 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1031 |
Posted: 09 August 2009 at 6:31pm | |||||||||||||
Please quote your source. By the way, welcome on board Shibboleth, one of the many 'armies' sent to attack Islam. However none could be found to stay for long. Haqq (Truth) stays eternal and strong forever. |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Nur_Ilahi
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Posted: 09 August 2009 at 6:46pm | |||||||||||||
Salamalaikum Akhe, As you can see from the graphic at the link I posted, most of the descendents of the Middle Eastern people are the descendents of Ismail and Ishaq, the two prophets, sons of Prophet Ibrahim. What modern terminology considered as Semitic People. These Prophets as stated in the Quran worshipped One True God, The Creator of the whole universe. However some had deviated from the True Teachings of God and as a Sign of God's Mercy, He had sent numerous Prophets in their midst as a reminder to worship The One True God. Allah Al-Aleem 'preserved' the seed of Muhammad in the lineage of Ismail and sent these people in the barren deserts of Makkah, away from the stubborn and devious people of the Jewish tribe. But whatever it is, in Islam, Allah do not look at race, colours or status. Because all these will be left behind in this world when we die. But the one that is eternal is our Souls/Spirits. The Inner Being that is in us that need to be purified before we meet the Purest of All that is Allah Al-Quddus - The Purest. And the basic purification of the Souls/Spirits is to acknowledge that there is no other Being or God worthy of being worshipped but ALLAH and that Muhammad is His Messenger - The Best example of a human being. Simple but Precise. |
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Ilahi Anta Maksudi, Wa Redhaka Mathlubi - Oh Allah, You are my destination, Your Pleasure is my Intention.
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 09 August 2009 at 8:36pm | |||||||||||||
Let's
see how good is your claim.....And if you have any sense of shame for
ignoring the discrepancies or just being ignorant and arrogant is your way of barging in here ..... Anyways either you are blind follower of Xtianity true to your ID; cuz either you have not read the genealogy of Jesus or really understood the flaws of the Bible writers... they apparently overlooked the coming of modern times of quality checking of their writing and now they are in trouble for what they put down on paper... Dr. Bucaiille took his time to say whatever you have in the NT is utterly unscientific and fun part is Jesus born of virgin mother is assigned Joseph as his dad LOL...The whole thing is absolutely pathetic....So here goes the dissection of; THE GENEALOGIES OF JESUSThe two genealogies contained in Matthew's and Luke's Gospels give rise to problems of verisimilitude, and conformity with scientific data, and hence authenticity. These problems are a source of great embarrassment to Christian commentators because the latter refuse to see in them what is very obviously the product of human imagination. The authors of the Sacerdotal text of Genesis, Sixth century B.C., had already been inspired by imagination for their genealogies of the first men. It again inspired Matthew and Luke for the data they did not take from the Old Testament. One must straight away note that the male genealogies have absolutely no relevance to Jesus. Were one to give a genealogy to Mary's only son, who was without a biological father, it would have to be the genealogy of his mother Mary. Here is the text of the Revised Standard Version of the Bible, 1952: The genealogy according to Matthew is at the beginning of his Gospel: "THE BOOK OF THE GENEALOGY OF
JESUS CHRIST,
So all the generations from Abraham to David were fourteen generations, and from David to the deportation to Babylon fourteen generations, and from the deportation to Babylon to the Christ fourteen generations". (Matthew, I, 1-17) The genealogy given by Luke (3, 23-38) is different from Matthew. The text reproduced here is from the Revised Standard Version of the Bible: "Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai, the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda, the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri, the sOn of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er, the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim, the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David, the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon, the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Ami, the SOD of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah, the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor, the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah, the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech, the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan, the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." The genealogies appear more clearly when presented in two tables, one showing the genealogy before David and the other after him. GENEALOGY OF JESUS, BEFORE DAVID
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Kismet Domino: Faith/Courage/Liberty/Abundance/Selfishness/Immorality/Apathy/Bondage or extinction.
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Sign*Reader
Senior Member Joined: 02 November 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3352 |
Posted: 09 August 2009 at 9:13pm | |||||||||||||
I hope you must have read and digested my last post and not caused major belly ache... So now you tell us who did add or take away from Jesus's genealogical details? Is it Luke or is it Matthew? Some one did something for sure.... And who is getting the plagues? I think it might be you...LOL IMHO the Americans should be last people on this talking about this subject and the scroll for so many generations of illegitimate children being born here and things not getting any better ....You know even the lesbian daughter of the former Veep Cheney- Mary had a child and churches and priest getting on the gay band wagon marriage Btw is she still a virgin? Mary Cheney, the vice president's lesbian daughter, had her first child this morning at Sibley Hospital in Washington, D.C. Samuel David Cheney was born at 9:46 a.m., weighing 8 lbs., 6 oz. His parents are Mary and her partner, Heather Poe.
Sixth Grandchild for Cheney"The vice president is pleased to be a grandfather for the sixth time," spokeswoman Megan McGinn said. The vice president's office announced in December that Mary was expecting her first child and a spokeswoman said at the time that he and his wife were "looking forward with eager anticipation to the arrival of their sixth grandchild." Cheney bristled when the subject came up in a notably testy exchange in January with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. Blitzer asked the vice president about a statement from Focus on the Family about whether having a child outside of a married mother or father is best for the child. Cheney said Blitzer was "out of line" even asking the question about Mary Cheney and said he fundamentally disagreed with Blitzer's perspective. But Blitzer did not really offer his perspective and the only question he asked was whether Cheney wanted to respond to the Focus on the Family statement. Blitzer said it was a question that has come up and it's a "responsible, fair question." Vice President Cheney said then that he was delighted to have a sixth grandchild and thinks the world of both of his daughters and all of his grandchildren. His daughter, Elizabeth, has five children with her husband Philip Perry: three daughters, Kate, Elizabeth and Grace and two sons, Philip and Richard.
President Sends Congratulations
President Bush told People magazine in December that Mary Cheney would be "a loving soul to her child." Q. What the heck is this loving soul crap? The president said this in response to a question about his comment from 2005 that "a child is raised in a married family with a man and a woman." "The vice president took me aside and gave me the good news. He and his wife, Lynne, are very happy for Mary," Bush said. "I think Mary is going to be a loving soul to her child. And I'm happy for her," Bush said. Want to try your hand at making this Samuel David Cheney's genealogical chart?How is he a Cheney? Edited by Sign*Reader - 09 August 2009 at 9:30pm |
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