 kish wrote:
In fact I call for any Muslim to defend their faith by NOW proving otherwise by biblical, historical or archaeological evidence. |
Where are your references and page numbers ?????????????
Even so, Sahih Hadifths and Islamic tradition disagrees with this -
The earliest biographer of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq, refers to people who were not descendents of Abraham as Arabs
��Ad b. �Aus b. Iram b. Sam b. Nuh and Thamud and Jadis the two sons of Abir b. Iram b. Sam b. Nuh and Tasm and Imlaq and Umaym the sons of Lawidh b. Sam b. Nuh are all Arabs.� (Guillaume�s �The life of Muhammad�, p. 4)
The Arab genealogies were written over 2000 years after the birth of Ishmael, and they did not have reliable genealogies past Muhammad�s forefather Adnan.
Genealogical information was so scarce and unreliable that Muhammad needed a �revelation� to find out he was from Mudar
�Ma'n Ibn 'Isa al-Ashja'i al-Qazzaz (silk-merchant) informed us; he said: Mu'awiyah Ibn Salih informed us on the authority of Yahya Ibn Jabir who had seen some Companions of the Prophet and said: The people of Banu Fuhayrah came to the Prophet and said to him: You belong to us. He replied: Verily, (the archangel) Gabriel has informed me that I belong to Mudar.� (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Volume I, p. 4; this quote was taken from Sam Shamoun�s article ��Ishmael Is Not the Father Of Muhammad�)
In regard to the time before Adnan Muslims have a very difficult time tying Adnan to Abraham. Notice they have only a few names (9 while some say only 6) in a list that should span over a thousand years!
�Ibn Humayd � �Adnan as some genealogists assert, was the son of Udad b. Muqawwam b. Nahur b. Tayrah b. Ya�rub b. Yashjub b. Nabit b. Ismail (Ishmael) b. Ibrahim (Abraham, while others say: �Adnan b. Udad b. Aytahab b. Ayyub b. Qaydhar b. Ismail (Ishmael) b. Ibrahim (Abraham) Qusayy b. Kilab traces his descent back to Qaydhar in his poetry. Yet other genealogists say �� (History of Tabari, vol. 6, p. 38)
Ibn Sa�d:
.. he on the authority of Ibn �Abbas; he said: Verily the Prophet (may peace be upon him), WHENEVER he related his genealogy, DID NOT GO BEYOND MA�ADD IBN �ADNAN IBN UDAD, then he kept quiet and said: The narrators of genealogy ARE LIARS, since Allah says: "There passed many generations between them."
Ibn �Abbas says: The Prophet would have been informed of the genealogy (prior to Adnan by Allah) if he (Prophet) had so wished.
.. he on the authority of �Abd Allah. Verily he recited "(The tribes of) �Ad and Thamud and those after them; NONE SAVETH ALLAH KNOWETH THEM." The genealogists ARE LIARS.
... between Ma�add and Isma�il there were more than THIRTY GENERATIONS; but he did not give their names, nor described their genealogy, probably he did not mention it because he might have heard the Hadith of Abu Salih on the authority of Ibn �Abbas who narrated about the Prophet (may Allah bless them) THAT HE KEPT QUIET AFTER MENTIONING MA�ADD IBN �ADNAN.
So according to even your Islamic sources Muhammad's genealogy is inconsistent and flawed !!!
Muhammad himself denies it . . .
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=15171&PN=1
Edited by Kish - 21 May 2012 at 7:01pm
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Dude, you are getting old and boring very fast! If you need time to respond, just say so. Don't make excuses and waste time on petty nonsense. So what if I am bringing a small part of another thread into this discussion? Especially when the topic is related? Come on, Shibbo! Get with the program. 
), I also provided another example. This was all in response to your argument that despite all the changes in the Bible, Jesus was still referred to as the "son of God". Your argument is that this is what is important. In response, I pointed out the Didache and then another example from the Gospel of Mark, the first Gospel written. Either make an intelligent response or admit you have been beaten. Don't waste my time with silly remarks such as the one you just made...because I am getting bored!! 
