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    Posted: 20 August 2005 at 4:59am

Will you disarm police forces throughout the world?
The US do not hold any mandate other than policing their own beat. Anything other than that can be filed under Imperialism - actually, racist imperialism.

sometimes when killer are trying to kill you you need to kill them.

Iraq was in no position to kill the US. Wasn't trying to kill the US. If it was only for policing action then why those large 14 bases?

That's where the US lose face and their fables make Spielberg sound more credible.
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Originally posted by Whisper Whisper wrote:

Bruce, good post. But self praise is no recommendation. I would have been with your fight against tyranny only if the US had started out when Saddam was doing their job for them.

The Europeans do not use force to achieve their political goals. That's a great contribution to peace. They (and, also, Colin Powel) had told your admin that Iraq will create a big mess.



The international community should have acted sooner with Saddam - I agree - it would have been a good thing if the UN had approved his ouster in 1991 when it could have been accomplished with more goodwill from the world.  The world has lost its resolve and political will to do anything...

Now its just blame games - which help no one.  But we all have ourselves to blame - and so its not self congratulations I pursue but honesty and truth with ourselves - realism.

Your Ghandi like goals of non-violence are noble.  However, in matters of nation states and terror and violence, or even in matters of policing a community - sometimes when killer are trying to kill you you need to kill them.

Do you disagree with this?  Will you disarm police forces throughout the world?
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Bruce, good post. But self praise is no recommendation. I would have been with your fight against tyranny only if the US had started out when Saddam was doing their job for them.

The Europeans do not use force to achieve their political goals. That's a great contribution to peace. They (and, also, Colin Powel) had told your admin that Iraq will create a big mess.
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"Would there be any worse hell than being an American after Iraq?"

Time and history will tell many truths.  One of the truths is that loathing others is often misguided.  It pays to improve the faults we have in ourselves and to "Think Globally and act locally."  To do otherwise is often so much howling at the moon and spitting into the wind.

The UN, the US, Democracies throughout the world know that  the fight against tryanny is no easy one, the fight for freedom is wrought with difficulties and virulent and violent oppositions and it is very hard to do the right thing.

Let's hope both the US and Europe will go about doing the right thing...now that it is clear that Dutch Corporates as well as German and French Corporates were complicit in the Iraq Oil for Food SCANDAL it is incumbent upon us to examine our own houses and get them in order...

I would suggest that some in Spain, for instance, may want to get the Spanish house in order and determine its complicity and its part in the solution for this current mess.

What at all have the Spanish (save those troops involved in the UN efforts in Afghanistan), French and Germans done for World Peace lately?  Just curious..

Could there be any worse hell than being one of those 'do nothing for anyone but themselves' Europeans?


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Behave your self Jibreel, please. And, be decent. Would there be any worse hell than being an American after Iraq? Falluja? Abu Gharaib and all those other things? Don't even mention the desecrations?

It must be dead painful to know that on average 81% Europeans think US is a bigger threat to world peace than anyone ele.

Just be decent.
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I am not paid to post here and have only personal affiliations - no official group or affiliation..further I think disagreeing with one should not be a cause of the charge "you're going to hell" because of it.  That is God's judgment and none of ours..


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What is the matter, you hate the Bible and Qur'an now?

How is it that disbelievers, who spend so much time going to islamic
forums to hinder others from islam and distort the truth will not going to
hell for these evil deed?

if faith was a question here it certainly invited you to islam, but you did
not come in peace, you came to carry out your JIHAD against ALLAHS and
only orthodox JEWS do this.

so yes, compare and read every scripture you can find, by ALLAH, anyone
who commits the hindering from ALLAHS truth, the ways they did to
prophets, Jesus and believers (pbuta); not only are going to hell in the
hear after, but ALLAH punishes now.

sorry for your decission kids,so do not cry to me, i did not make the
rules.

do you guys get paid for the time you take to come to a islamic forum,
because for a muslim it is charity

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When resorts to threatening one to eternal damnation for conversion into faith, the faith has simply failed. Its simply that simple, Jibreel is a obviously weak Muslim with weak faith.

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