The second coming of Jesus

Apple Pie wrote: My dear bro Apple Pie, I don't know which "Yahweh of Holy Bible" are you specifically referring to. Then how can you say �can�t we pray to the same one God��.if you are unsure of who He is in the first place�?!

I am so very fascintated by this concept.

Apple Pie wrote: Nevertheless, more important to know is our God is one, just one God; whether we believe in it or not; its immaterial. What do you say about this? So, when I say I believe in the same God (as defined in your gospels) to whom Jesus also used to pray, do you have any reservations of not accepting this fact? I would understand some uneasiness on the part of my Muslim brothers, if at all any, but what is that which bothers you in this statement? I really don't understand. If you do not take Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior (as clearly mandated in the classic Arabic of your book of faith), then we are not praying to the same One God. If you deny the classic Arabic of your scriptures then you are worshipping a false god� This is as simple as it gets�

But, I am sorry to say, I find what you are saying VERY confusing. As I mentioned in another thread, I'm not sure if you are Muslim or a Christian or something else :)

But, here is my open ended question/statement to Muslims, Christians, and, well, any monotheist.

Group A believes in one and only one God, and group B believes in one and only one God. Each God has similar sounding characteristics; Omniscient, omnipotent et al. Muslims say one must follow the teachings of Muhammad to be a Muslim. Christians say one must follow the teachings of Jesus to be a Christian. Jews say you have to (be born into the tribe, and) follow the teachings of Moses et al. (These are all gross overgeneralizations, but they convey my intent for the sake of conversation.)

Don't all THREE detract from the idea of one God as each puts on a qualifier for accepting the one God?

Ok, maybe this should be a new thread.

I'm not promoting unitarianism or whatever it's called. But I do feel it is a point to ponder. There is a common thread, and IF one God is the most important aspect of faith, it's best to FIRST
a) clean our own houses
b) focus more on the copious supply of atheists, and the few rare self professed polytheists.

If someone already is at one God, great, move along. Not to do so implies that the one God aspect of the faith isn't the MOST important -- that is how I see it, and I agree that my position is open to debate. But any faith puts a qualifier on just what that one God is, despite the fact that there isn't room for two omniscient and omnipotent gods. What is more important? One God? Or how one person qualifies membership amounst the "true" believers?

I'm off to bed now that I've offended most everyone in the world

Edited by copenhagen

43.61   And verily He, i.e. Jesus, by His appearing, and descending to the earth, shall be a sign of the approach of the hour (of Resurrection), so do not doubt/argue with it, and follow Me, that (is a) straight/direct road/way.

This and other verses used are incorrectly translated or interpreted.

The correct version is "And verily he is a knowledge for the hour." 'ilmun li assaa'ati" means knowledge for the hour not sign for the hour "ayatun li assaa'ati".

It is the truth.

Jesus is not dead, but alive, a prophet who did not die yet.

Our Prophet said that no one can be a believer in him if they do not believe in Jesus.

Jeus said that no one comes to as what they translate as "Father" but we call Rabb al 'alameen (Lord Cherisher of the worlds mankind and jinn) Except through him. This connects to the words of our prophet if you understand.

Jesus is alive and is a knowledge for the hour.

Jesus gave life to the dead, healed the sick and made the form of a bird of clay and breath into it and it became a living bird by the leave of Allah.

 

Besides Allah you have no protector or helper, everyone with Him is submitted to Him, so submit to Him, serve Him and be thankful to Him.

 

 

Greetings Community,

 

Thanks for your reply�

43.61   And verily He, i.e. Jesus, by His appearing, and descending to the earth, shall be a sign of the approach of the hour (of Resurrection), so do not doubt/argue with it, and follow Me, that (is a) straight/direct road/way.

This and other verses used are incorrectly translated or interpreted.

The correct version is "And verily he is a knowledge for the hour." 'ilmun li assaa'ati" means knowledge for the hour not sign for the hour "ayatun li assaa'ati".

It is the truth.

First of all, please bring forth your references for your interpretation�.thanks�

 

Secondly, it appears that you are acknowledging that these ayahs are referring to Jesus.

 

Who (but God Himself) know the hour�?

 

 

Jesus is not dead, but alive, a prophet who did not die yet.

Where does it state this in your book of faith�?

 

 

Our Prophet said that no one can be a believer in him if they do not believe in Jesus.

Where does it state this in your book of faith�?

 

 

 

 

Jeus said that no one comes to as what they translate as "Father" but we call Rabb al 'alameen (Lord Cherisher of the worlds mankind and jinn) Except through him. This connects to the words of our prophet if you understand.

I�m glad that you brought this up�.as it amply demonstrates my point that the authors of the Koran simply are copying Biblical material�

 

�rabbu alAAalameena� definition:

 

The Lord of the jinn, or genii, and of mankind: the Lord of all created beings.  It comes from the root �alama�, which means to mark, sign, and distinguish. He knew it; or he was, or became, acquainted with it; or he knew it truly, or certainly. He knew a thing intuitively and inferentially. He marked it. He, a man, had a fissure in his upper lip; or in one of its two sides.  Knowledge.

 

References:

An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume five, pp. 2138 - 2142

The Dictionary of the Holy Qur�an, 1^st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 383 - 385

 

The very first sura is addressed to mankind and the �Jinn��

It is most interesting that the �Jinn� are in fact, the demonic locusts detailed in the Book of Revelation.

Hence, this theme literally saturates the entire Koran from start to finish.

Completely copying Biblical, as we would predict�and, as the authors themselves quite clearly stated�

 

 

Jesus is alive and is a knowledge for the hour.

Jesus is alive and knows the hour because He is God Almighty.

This is stated in the holy Bible, and also in the classic Arabic of your book of faith�

Don�t deny it.

 

 

Jesus gave life to the dead, healed the sick and made the form of a bird of clay and breath into it and it became a living bird by the leave of Allah.

Only God can raise the dead.

Period.

Hence, to acknowledge that Jesus can raise the dead inherently demonstrates that He is God Himself.

Furthermore, this �clay bird� fable was copied by the Koranic authors from Christian heretical sources�

 

 

Thanks�

 

 

 

 

Community wrote: Jesus is not dead, but alive, a prophet who did not die yet.

This is a point I find VERY fascinating.

Can someone suggest an easy to read link or two on the subject?

googling has given me a glut of pages from those who claim Imam Mahdi has already come yada yada yada. Or lots of stuff not of primary interest.

This issue is my sticking point over in the "Last Prophet" thread, and I'm looking for a bit more insight.

Peace