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Doo-bop
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What foolishness! The commandments of Christianity are clear - they are found throughout the New Testament, many of them in Paul's epistles. And yes, God commands everybody to obey them. But.......the difference between this and your own system is that it is not a code of criminal or civil law, in other words, we do not presume to make people adhere to things they do not believe in, indeed, we cannot, since there is no, nor can there be, any christian state.
By the way, perhaps you can help me out. Can you give me the name of one Jew who believes that the Mosaic covenant was for anyone other that the nation of Israel? Maybe you can find one. But I have not found one.
"Finally the Jews got the control of Christian world after suffering all the atrocities at the Christians hands through their financial strategy...Now suddenly the Ten Commandments are legal at city halls when they were challenges by the atheists...What gives? And don't tell me that the so Christians can really hold them sacred much less the Jews!"
What is this? Are you trying to make out there is a command to kill in the Ten Commandments? |
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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Doo-bop
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1 Peter 4:15 - Let none of you suffer as a murderer....
1 John 3:15 - no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him....
Romans 12:14 - bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not
Romans 12:17 - recompense no man evil for evil
Romans 12:19 - dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves........vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord
Consider also the Holy Teaching of our Glorious Lord personally delivered when he was on earth -------
Matthew 5:44 - but I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you
John 18:36 - Jesus answered, my kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence
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"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" - John the Baptizer (John 1:29)
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Hayfa
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They are not saying do not kill... murder and killing are not exclusive in of the other. You can kill someone and NOT be a murderer.
It is saying things about murder, vengence, enemies, do not hate those that persecute. Nowhere does it say you should not kill in self-defense.. And most reasonable people believe in the right to kill in certain instances. |
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Doo-bop
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Sorry, but I will not remove the speech marks unless you can provide a direct link between Islam and the evil perpetrated
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Doo-bop
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"Nowhere does it say you should not kill in self-defense.."
Yes it does. The context of John 18:36 is self-defence.
"And most reasonable people believe in the right to kill in certain instances."
Well, we are not interested in being reasonable. We are interested in obeying God. That is our reason. If you don't like it, tough. Btw, could you outline to me all the instances where it is "right to kill" in Islam (with full references to Islamic core texts, of course)
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Shasta'sAunt
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Even if any of these directly stated 'do not kill' I don't see where any of it has to do with Christianity. Jesus and his disciples were preaching/teaching to the Jews.
Jesus did say to follow the old laws, the Mosaic laws, and to do as Moses. Jewish laws for Jewish followers.
The only one who might be giving Christians commands would be Paul. The Prophet Paul?
Where does God or Jesus command Christians not to kill?
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ZEA J
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[QUOTENot good enough. Show me the command for christians to kill[/QUOTE]
"Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die." Hi, I found the above from a website. I don't know if it's an actual qoute from the bible or not.
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[QUOTE=ZEA J][QUOTENot good enough. Show me the command for christians to kill[/QUOTE]
"Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die." Hi, I found the above from a website. I don't know if it's an actual qoute from the bible or not. [/QUOTE] That's from the Old Testament, where there are more commands to kill than you can imagine, but the Christians will say that the Old Testament doesn't count anymore. They will say that Jesus brougyt a new covenant, even though Jesus himself said the opposite, and the old Mosaic Laws are no longer valid, even though Jesus himself followed them and commanded his followers to do the same.
When Christians say the Bible what they REALLY mean is the New Testament.
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