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haris30432 
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 Posted: 23 March 2010 at 5:10am |
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Peace Ron,
It can be verified easily using your computer.Plus softwares have been developed which u can use to count the words.On a weekly basis,some of us do go throo the math miracle chapter by chapter,verse by verse and yes its time consuming but definitely at the end the result is all worth the hard work!Praise GOD!..take care.!
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Ron Webb
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Posted: 03 March 2010 at 6:24am |
It is especially interesting that this seems to endorse the standard Western calendar, based on the conventional (but inaccurate) birth date of Christ, rather than using the traditional Muslim Hijra calendar. Oh well, sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence.
I have to say I am doubtful that all of those who claim to have independently verified the "miracle of 19" have actually done so (who has the time or the patience to count the number of words in the entire Quran?), but on the other hand I haven't seen any detailed refutations of it either. I find that surprising. If it is wrong, it should be easy enough to disprove.
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Addeenul �Aql � Religion is intellect.
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haris30432
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Posted: 27 February 2010 at 2:41am |
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Peace,
i know the reply is too late.Im actually a new member of this forum.i have verfied the miracle in the Quran Mashallah.Its truely amazing and proves the existance of GOD and that the Quran is truely the word of GOD.The ones who reject this amazing proof from GOD will certainly have no explanations to the Quranic initials.They say there is no need to understand the numbers in the Quran.So what are the Quranic initials there for?Do they have any clear explanation for it?.It is interesting that the Quran actually refers to the number 19 in Surah 74.The discovery of this miracle was in the year 1974.These informations are easily verfiable.The discoverer of this miracle did not claim to be a prophet as mentioned in the above post.He simply claimed to be a messenger of GOD.We all know that the last Prophet was Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh).
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Posted: 31 May 2009 at 10:01pm |
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I should say that the table regarding the numbers are Abjad numbers and are right. I have personally not checked all mathematical relationships that are claimed. They can be easily checked and if they are right it is of course amazing. However, such mathematical relationship can neither be used to exclude a single verse of Quran nor to disprove Hadith in general. Ridiculous and shameful ahadith in Islamic reference books are apparently corrupted and fabricated. However, the true ahadith can be found with historical research and the benchmark provided by Quran.
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Tony
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Posted: 17 May 2009 at 10:02am |
Thanks for the link. It is very interesting that the alleged murderer of Rashad Khalifa (who discovered the miracle of 19) got arrested 19 years after the assassination.
I have done a little research on the website mentioned by Ron Webb(http://www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm): Rashad Khalifa was stabbed 29 times; he unveiled the miracle of 19 explaining the function of the Quranic initials in the 29 suras that begin with quranic initials. The first verse of sura 19, in the 29 quranic initials system, is the 1230th verse (also gematrical "mathematical value" of Rashad Khalifa), and the last verse of sura 19 is the 1327th verse in the same system.
He was assassinated on the 31st of January 1990 (31/01/1990):
31/01/1990 = 31011990 = 19 x 1230 x 1327.
Is this a major sign from above to point at the one who discovered the miracle of 19, or is it a pure coincidence?
Any comments on the above?
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islamispeace
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I agree with seekshidayath. It is much more worthwhile to read the Quran the way it was meant to be. It is a book of guidance. Whether a mathematical code exists within it or not is not relevant.
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Say: "Truly, my prayer and my service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are (all) for Allah, the Cherisher of the Worlds. (Surat al-Anaam: 162)
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Posted: 14 May 2009 at 6:19am |
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Hello Ronn,
Yes, you shall find none discussing this. We are not the followers of this person, who is declared as kafir. He believes in understanding Qur'an only by its verses, whereas we understand Quran by the saying of Prophet as well. Anyways we reject his mathematical codes.
These two sites you referred are also not referred by we muslims. Moreover, Quran is a divine scripture for the guidance of humanity. What can numbers help us as guidance ? He tried to get a mathematical code from Quran. We don't believe in any such numbers.
He is also said to have proclaimed himself as Prophet.
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Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: �All the descendants of Adam are sinners, and the best of sinners are those who repent."
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