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Originally posted by Colin Colin wrote:

A quote from the "author" of the article you posted:

Quote Did Londoners really believe that Muslims would have no response to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the slaughter, torture, and detention of Muslims?

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Quote On the contrary, i don't find the author pointing his finger at Muslims.

Then I would politely suggest you are suffering from tunnel vision.

Just an example of a sentence being berieved of its context and emphasis that follows.

Originally posted by I I wrote:

On the contrary, i don't find the author pointing his finger at Muslims. He, like vast majority of spectators in this world, is only looking in the direction where Blair and Bush have already been pointing theirs... only seeing things differently.

Nice try, Colin. Although I admired him reminding readers of "slaughter torture and detention of Muslims" i would not go picking it out of the text.



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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Tyranny is not practiced here on the board, therefore various views are expressed and shared. At times they are in line with Islam at times they are not. Some of the articles that I have recently shared in the forum express different views, mainly by non-Muslims writing for mainstream publications on current events. It would not be fair to label them as badly researched, that would be more appropriate for intelligence reports. The vairety of articles help get a wider view of the issue BUT they do not change the teachings of Islam.

As a Muslim, I am more angered with brutal murder and killing rather than writings. Killing of innocents is not in line with Islam, and so is London bombings. The article only helps explain that bombing did not come out of nowhere either... and London might have had them coming.



What do you mean London might have had them coming?  You talk about how things are and aren't in line with Islam and then say that?
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Bombing in London marked the launch of the new Muslim-hunt season. The report clearly shows who the Hunting Dogs will be released after... this time it is the educated young of the Muslim community with their profiles spun into "terror tales". It is an attempt by the infidel cowards at the future of our Ummah. There is undoubtedly more to come. Scary? No, for Allah is with those who patiently persevere. May Allah shield innocent Muslims from injustice, and may Allah strengthen their imaan. 

Fine - but what will Muslims do to help stop the extremists in their midst from committing these acts, and in certain of their clergy from encouraging and providing cover for these types of murders of innocent people (sometimes children)?  Muslims and non-Muslims of goodwill must band together to stop these sorts of brutal senseless killings - whether in Free Iraq or in the tube in London..
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Originally posted by b95000 b95000 wrote:

What do you mean London might have had them coming?  You talk about how things are and aren't in line with Islam and then say that?

Firstly might have had... is not definitive it is hypothetical. Secondly, London having it coming, still does not mean that Islam supports it.

You kill an Iraqi and he fires back in retaliation without even looking where he is firing. You have it coming.

Giving in to emotions and frustrations that result in uncontrolled actions affecting other people's lives put that Iraqi outside of Islamic principles.

Hope it is clearer.



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Originally posted by b05000 b05000 wrote:

Fine - but what will Muslims do to help stop the extremists in their midst from committing these acts, and in certain of their clergy from encouraging and providing cover for these types of murders of innocent people (sometimes children)?  Muslims and non-Muslims of goodwill must band together to stop these sorts of brutal senseless killings - whether in Free Iraq or in the tube in London..

I totally agree with your post above. In fact that's what Muslims have been calling to... but only got invasion and confiscation of their property and soil in response.
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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Originally posted by b95000 b95000 wrote:

What do you mean London might have had them coming?  You talk about how things are and aren't in line with Islam and then say that?

...Secondly, London having it coming, still does not mean that Islam supports it.

B: might have had them coming means 'deserved' to have them coming - 'deserved' from who, because of what?

You kill an Iraqi and he fires back in retaliation without even looking where he is firing. You have it coming.

B: Are you saying it was disgruntled Iraqis that bombed the tubes?

Giving in to emotions and frustrations that result in uncontrolled actions affecting other people's lives put that Iraqi outside of Islamic principles.

B: These murders were premeditated murders - they were very calculated...any court would not defend them by saying they were manslaughter, or induced by rage and not pre-meditated.  So there is no aspect to 'giving in to emotions' in the sense that we're used to hearing about with love triangles or finding your wife in bed with a lover.  No these were pre-meditated murders of innocent people to try to use their blood and body parts to speak about some political/extreme religious agenda.

Hope it is clearer.



So in what sense could London have had it coming - from a calculated al Qaeda (Iraqi - you seem to suggest) counterattack?  So they 'had it coming' from murderers, who use murder in a calculated way to prove some extremist political point - is that what you mean to say?

Or are you trying to assign some blame in this matter to Londoners themselves by saying they 'may have had it coming?'
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Originally posted by MOCKBA MOCKBA wrote:

Bismillah

Originally posted by b05000 b05000 wrote:

Fine - but what will Muslims do to help stop the extremists in their midst from committing these acts, and in certain of their clergy from encouraging and providing cover for these types of murders of innocent people (sometimes children)?  Muslims and non-Muslims of goodwill must band together to stop these sorts of brutal senseless killings - whether in Free Iraq or in the tube in London..

I totally agree with your post above. In fact that's what Muslims have been calling to... but only got invasion and confiscation of their property and soil in response.



How so?  Is Iraq not free now?  Has the economy of Iraq not grown 54% and in the high 30s year over year in 2004 and 2005?  How is that 'confiscation of their property' - pray tell...
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Mockba wrote:

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You kill an Iraqi and he fires back in retaliation without even looking where he is firing. You have it coming.

So if the families of the victims of the London bombs fire back in the general direction of Iraqis living in Britain. Do the Iraqis "have it coming"?

Quote Giving in to emotions and frustrations that result in uncontrolled actions affecting other people's lives put that Iraqi outside of Islamic principles.

What if the London bomb victims families give in to emotions and frustrations, should their fellow Britons shrug there shoulders and say "That's totally against our laws and principles but hey, they had it coming didn't they"?

If we give into this kind of madhouse reasoning, where will it all end?

 

 
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